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Jackie
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(Con @ Mar 2 2006, 08:36 AM)

Looks like a good product. However to take it a step further, how and what kind of bonding agent would you consider that would not give off toxic fumes later or not keep it stuck to the shell: and what would you cover the reflective surface with on the inside and waht bonding agent would be needed???


The liquid 'glue' that Scamp uses for their rat fur would work quite well, and give off no toxic fumes. One could let the insualtion set up, then again use the same glue to put on a layer of 'rat fur'.
Erik J
QUOTE (Jackie @ Mar 2 2006, 10:39 AM) *
The liquid 'glue' that Scamp uses for their rat fur would work quite well, and give off no toxic fumes. One could let the insualtion set up, then again use the same glue to put on a layer of 'rat fur'.

what is this rat fur? i spoke with someone at scamp, who said they put some marine fabric over the insulation. is this the "rat fur"?
any pictures?

i have been shopping for the ensolite, and the other silver bubble wrap at lowes. ensolite is some expensive stuff!
at this point i am leaning toward the silver rolls at lowes, and some {?} to cover it.
Con
I guess it is a word of caution it to read and research the products you are going to use.

All plastics, as the temperature rises gives off gases. Some more toxic than others.
For example, the polyethelene film they have on new car doors when you buy them. Years ago I bought a new vechile and did not remove the plastic right away. We had some real hot days and when I opened the door the fumes just about knocked me down. It is a proven fact that plastic sheeting gives off a toxic gas. Another example is Cup-of-Noodles in styrofoam cups when you neuc them in a microwave. Proven fact that they give of a toxic gas. There was a huge mess here in Canada a number of years ago when the Government was helping people pay for expanded foam insulation in thier houses. People started getting sick and it was finally traced down to the formaldihide gases come from the foam. Cost lots of money to remove it. These are just a few examples

I can speak with authority on this from experience. Years ago I got quite sick with numbnious in my fingers and toes and a prickly feeling in both areas. My doctors finally traced it down to chemical toxic posioning. There was a period of time there where I had been working on many projects using Ethelene di-choride, Keytone Acetone, Plexiglas Polymer adhesive. Per-chlorethylene, Acetone, Lacquer Thinners just to name a few. I had used most of the chemicals outside in what I thought was well ventilated, not the case though. They built up in my system till it finally reacted. I had to stay away from any chemicals products for months. It was not fun so I just don't want anyone esle to go through it. Today I am much more cautious above how I use stuff.

My advice, research, research and research again before you use any plastics, adhesives etc.
Its your health!
Byron Kinnaman
QUOTE (Erik J @ Mar 2 2006, 10:45 AM) *
what is this rat fur? i spoke with someone at scamp, who said they put some marine fabric over the insulation. is this the "rat fur"?
any pictures?

i have been shopping for the ensolite, and the other silver bubble wrap at lowes. ensolite is some expensive stuff!
at this point i am leaning toward the silver rolls at lowes, and some {?} to cover it.


Rat fur is the marine fabric Scamp was refering to. I got the impression that they don't like that term (rat fur).
Brian B-P
QUOTE (Erik J @ Mar 2 2006, 11:45 AM) *
...i have been shopping for the ensolite, and the other silver bubble wrap at lowes. ensolite is some expensive stuff!

When I spoke to someone at the Scamp factory last year about materials for my Boler, he explained that the Reflectix which they use is expensive compared to other brands of "silver bubble wrap" more cheaply available at home centers, but they used it to avoid problems with the layers peeling apart. Anyone considering use of this type of product might consider Scamp's experience.
Brian B-P
QUOTE (Byron Kinnaman @ Mar 2 2006, 12:02 PM) *
Rat fur is the marine fabric Scamp was refering to. I got the impression that they don't like that term (rat fur).

On the other hand, the Scamp person I talked to used the term "rat fur", without any prompting from me. This was relatively new to me, since I had known short-pile fabric like this in automotive applications as "mouse fur" (it is usually grey, which may be one factor in the choice of name). The difference may be length of pile, or it may be that here in Alberta we don't have rats, only mice... confuse.gif
Darrel Smith
QUOTE (Con @ Mar 2 2006, 08:36 AM) *
Looks like a good product. However to take it a step further, how and what kind of bonding agent would you consider that would not give off toxic fumes later or not keep it stuck to the shell: and what would you cover the reflective surface with on the inside and waht bonding agent would be needed???


Con
you brought up good questions and we certainly don't want to use anything that will cause us to not wake up on a campout. I have not looked that far into it but will consider your precautions as I proceed. At this point I plan to lay a fiberglass inner wall over whatever I use inside. I plan to install conduit and j-box for all wiring within the wall as well as fastening hardware for the fixtures and furniture.

Thank You
Darrel
Con
WOW! Darrel, that sound like a major project. Is it really worth adding an FG liner? Maybe I am off track as I don't know what the Compact looks like inside. How about posting a few pics?
Tom Trostel
Con,
The interior of my Compact Jr. is covered with beige vinyl that has a yellow open-cell foam backing about 1/4" thick. I doubt it provides much insulation, but it stops all condensation. I think the Compact II had the same interior wall covering. Darrel rescued his trailer in very poor condition and may only have bare fiberglass now. Below is a link to a picture of my table and you can see the wall covering behind it. Tom Trostel

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?...0373&p=70959854
Erik J
QUOTE (Tom Trostel @ Mar 3 2006, 03:55 AM) *
Con,
The interior of my Compact Jr. is covered with beige vinyl that has a yellow open-cell foam backing about 1/4" thick. I doubt it provides much insulation, but it stops all condensation. I think the Compact II had the same interior wall covering. Darrel rescued his trailer in very poor condition and may only have bare fiberglass now. Below is a link to a picture of my table and you can see the wall covering behind it. Tom Trostel

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?...0373&p=70959854

could you please post more detailed pics of the vinyl? especially at the seams.
thank you!
otherwise, please pm them to me.
Tom Trostel
Erik J,
Here is a close up of the edge of the vinyl and foam that the Compact Jr. has on its walls.
Tom Trostel

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?...0373&p=73836961
Tom Trostel
And here is a link to a close up photo of the seams at the top corner of the curb-side wall and front wall. Tom Trostel

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?...0373&p=73836962
Erik J
thanks tom, for posting those. are they sewn together, or somehow glued together?
Tom Trostel
Erik J,
The diamond pattern stitching goes all the way through the vinyl, foam, and a backing layer of cloth netting. All this is glued to the fiberglass.
Tom Trostel
LeBoutillier
QUOTE (Tom Trostel @ Nov 21 2005, 05:48 AM) *
Reflectix is an flexible plastic insulation product. It looks like bubble wrap with a layer of silver mylar attached. Sunshades for car windshields are made of the same material. It's sold in rolls by Home Depot and Lowe's. Some pop-up and hybrid owners use it to insulate their bunk ends and vinyl areas. So I copied their idea to help make my trailer more comfortable. I cut 4 pieces of Reflectix to cover the inside of the vinyl that connects the two parts of the roof of my trailer. The two longer pieces are 100" X 14" and the other two are 48" X 14". They are held in place by friction. When not in use they are rolled up and stored under the benches. I think most Compact Jr, Compact II, and Trails West Campster owners could benefit from the same mod. I find it helps a great deal with keeping in heat in the winter and ac in the hot months. I also plan to cut pieces to match the windows of my trailer. These would be held in place with Velcro at the corners. Would be less for insulation and more for privacy and keeping out sunlight.

I've posted this mod before and am redoing it to help rebuild the archives. 53.gif
Tom Trostel

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?...0373&p=70829465



I have tried to locate the reflectix at Lowes and Home Depot but came up empty. Is there any other place to locate the material in rolls?
LeBoutillier
I have tried to locate the reflectix at Lowes and Home Depot but came up empty. Is there any other place to locate the material in rolls?
Brian B-P
QUOTE (LeBoutillier @ Mar 8 2006, 05:46 AM) *
I have tried to locate the reflectix at Lowes and Home Depot but came up empty. Is there any other place to locate the material in rolls?

Yes, I'm sure lots of places have it, but I've seen it at Home Depot, and it's shown on their web site (use the search box with just the keyword "reflectix"). It may be that some individual stores don't have it, but it seems more likely to me that it was just in a strange place (which often happens at Home Depot...), or they are carrying an alternate brand.
Tom Trostel
Reflectix at my local Home Depot is way back in the building materials corner, on a shelf about 5' high, up above 4' X 8' sheets of foam board insulation. Half the workers there give you a blank stare when asked about "Reflectix". Happy hunting. Tom Trostel
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