I was all prepared to lasso a Burro and found this Compact Jr just before the noose settled over the Burro's head.
The Burro was (and still is) in Denver, and really is a taller trailer than what I wanted. But the price was right and the condition more than satisfactory. But I was really concerned about my 4-cylindar Camry pulling something as tall as the Burro in high altitudes and figured that I would come back via Santa Fe to avoid the steep high-altitude grades. All told, it was going to be a 5-day process picking up the Burro and at a rather awkward time for me.
The Compact Jr was in Turlock, a 6 1/2hr drive from home, and not nearly as tall as the Burro when in towing mode. The trailer is in much worse shape than the Burro, but much cheaper and easier to get to, as well as better-suited to the towing capabilities of my Camry.
When I saw the ad appear on this board, I fired off a private message asking for pictures and price. I also checked for ads on craigslist in the Modesto area -- no ads. I thought this was a little bizarre -- surely the seller would want maximum exposure to get maximum price.
Randy A replied with this single picture he had taken camping:
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It obviously has some challenges -- bent bumper, broken window in rear door, and who knows what else that's not in view. However, Randy said he was thinking of under $1000, so I should come take a look and see what it was worth to me. We agreed to meet at 4pm the following day (Monday, May 18) and he promised not to sell it before I got there.
I had some concerns about being enticed to some out-of-the-way spot and being relieved of my money, so I checked Google satellite and streetview, and also did a white pages lookup of Randy's name and address. Google pointed to an alfalfa field, which didn't seem too promising, but also said the address was approximate. While I had Randy on the phone I had him describe the location of his house and I found it about 300' from where Google thought it was. The description matched what I saw, and I could see a small brown trailer in the back -- not enough detail to confim it was a pop-top, but certainly consistent with one. All in all, things matched well and I was pretty certain I would be OK. But just on the chance that I wasn't, I gave my wife the phone number of the local police department and told her I would call her on the cell phone just as I was arriving, and would leave it on the whole time I was there. That way if she heard things were going bad she could call for help immediately.
I arrived at the appointed time and had called my wife so we could discuss the trailer's condition, features, and so on -- that worked really quite well. Randy had the top up and I could see various splits were held together with wide black tape -- the same kind of tape he had used on the broken window in the door. There obviously had been water in the trailer because the steel parts, like parts of the cooktop and heater were rusty. But overall it mainly seemed worn with age but not really abused. Unlike Francene's trailer, it had only a 110v refer, which was a minus in my book, but it also didn't look to me that I'd have to do a full frame-off rebuild before using the trailer. Randy asked for $900 and that's what I paid him, even though I knew I needed tires immediately, the heater didn't work, the pop-up had lost its arch, there was no table, the window was broken, etc. The cooktop worked, and the frame seemed solid although the paint had long ago dried, shrunk, and cracked, making for spiderweb rust lines. The bearings were OK but the tires, even though they had lots of tread, were much too old and were cracking longitudinally along the tread.
The thing I kick myself about is that I didn't take a picture of Randy and his trailer before I drove off. But I was in a hurry to get new tires before everything closed for the day.
A mile down the road I stopped to chek things over -- the hitch hadn't been closed properly, but the tires and hubs weren't overheating -- they were hot but that's because the day was hot!
I used my wife's cellphone to take the picture and didn't realise where the lens was, so I have my fingers in the picture:
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Lost in Los Banos
I was trying to get to Los Banos before 6pm because Randy said there was an RV place there where I could get new tires. I got there at 6:05pm and didn't know where the RV place was, so I figured I had missed my chance.
Bobbie Mayer and I had communicated before the trip and she asked me to stop by on my way home so we could look at each other's trailers. So I called her to tell her I was still about 90 minutes away from her place, needed tires, and would she like to join me for dinner somewhere in Fresno when I got there. She had already eaten, so we settled down to talking about where to get tires. She told me of a discount tire place in Fresno if I wanted to stay over, or better yet, I could park at the Walmart there overnight and get tires in the morning! I was just dialling the number she gave me when she called back to report there was a Walmart in Los Banos and maybe the Auto Center was still open. She gave me the number to call.
I called the Los Banos Walmart and learned the tire center was open until 7pm -- it was now 6:20. I got the directions and they said they were pretty far out of town. How far? Oh, 4 or 6 miles or so. So I drove out 120 until I was definitely in the sticks, and decided I must have gone the wrong direction. I called again, confirmed I was at the wrong end of town (why do people have such a hard time with east or west?), and got the directions as well as several landmarks just before the store. Look for Target and Lowes, she said.
So I drove back through town (lotsa signals, most of them red), see the Target, see Lowes, and another large building with no discernable sign far from the highway but up ahead there's only fields, miles to the next intersection, and a left-turn pocket right here. I made the left turn, drove back to the large building and it was the Walmart! Yea! Of course it was now 7:15pm.
I drove to the tire department and saw to my joy there were still people working there. So I park, walk over and ask can they sell me some tires and mount them for me tonight. "Yes!" (mood swing up!) I point to the trailer and am told they cannot do trailers. (Mood swing down) Why not? They didn't have a proper jack. If I take off the wheels then can you do it? Yes (another mood reversal) I take off one wheel and walk over with it. At that point a different guy snags me and tells me he needs to check if they have something appropriate in stock. (mood swings to uh-oh)
He checks stock -- no matching trailer tire. (mood swing down) He has premounted tires on wheels, (mood swing up) but it turns out their 13" wheels with 4-lug pattern has the wrong size pilot hole (the center hole that goes over the hub) (mood swing down). They have automobile tires that would fit but are not allowed to mount on a trailer. Ah! he says, I know of someone who will mount these for you, but it will cost $60 extra because it's after hours. (mood swing up) So I get the business name, phone number, and buy two auto tires for $75.
I go to the "other place" and had expected to see someone there -- no one there. I call the number but can only leave a message. It's getting dark, I'm very hungry, and I'm stuck there across the street from a shopping center with all kinds of food places (restaurants seems a little too high-falutin' a term) offering comestibles for my growling stomach.
So I call a few more times, and as I call once more I get an incoming call from the guy I'm trying to reach. I don't know my wife's cell phone so I muff picking it up, but I call right back and he answers (mood swing up!!!) I'm having a hard time hearing him (hiway 120 is a highway, after all) and understanding him (accent as well as the fact he's yelling into the phone and it's distorting badly). When I say "What?" he yells louder making the distortion even worse.
I agree to the $60 surcharge and he say he'll xmflsdndgsg over. I guess that means either he or someone else is coming, so that's good.
Half an hour later he shows up and tells me he called me three times, why didn't I answer. I look at the phone and he's right -- 3 missed calls. I hadn't heard it at all because of all the traffic. He tells me that it's going to cost me $60 cash to open the door, and another $40 to mount the two tires, $100 cash total. Is that OK? Not what I expected and I say so, but I say OK.
He opens the door and tells me to move the trailer to a specific spot which requires the car to drive over the sidewalk and off the curb. Camry's are not noted for having high clearance, so I check the curb height carefully, which annoys him. That's his problem, not mine, I say to myself.
I get the trailer close to where he wants and he takes off a wheel and removes the old tire. Do I want new valve stems? Of course -- How much? $10 each. Yipe!! When I grumble he tells me "Hey, I'm just making a wage like everyone else!" I decide to keep my mouth shut because I have no choice. But this is an all-cash deal, no receipts, so we know none of this is being reported as a sale or income. Pretty sweet for him!
He did know his job, did good work on the trailer, my wallet, and my short hairs.
I finally was ready to leave at 9:05pm, just after the food places had all shut down for the night (mood swings to awwww).
I was trying to get to Los Banos before 6pm because Randy said there was an RV place there where I could get new tires. I got there at 6:05pm and didn't know where the RV place was, so I figured I had missed my chance.
Bobbie Mayer and I had communicated before the trip and she asked me to stop by on my way home so we could look at each other's trailers. So I called her to tell her I was still about 90 minutes away from her place, needed tires, and would she like to join me for dinner somewhere in Fresno when I got there. She had already eaten, so we settled down to talking about where to get tires. She told me of a discount tire place in Fresno if I wanted to stay over, or better yet, I could park at the Walmart there overnight and get tires in the morning! I was just dialling the number she gave me when she called back to report there was a Walmart in Los Banos and maybe the Auto Center was still open. She gave me the number to call.
I called the Los Banos Walmart and learned the tire center was open until 7pm -- it was now 6:20. I got the directions and they said they were pretty far out of town. How far? Oh, 4 or 6 miles or so. So I drove out 120 until I was definitely in the sticks, and decided I must have gone the wrong direction. I called again, confirmed I was at the wrong end of town (why do people have such a hard time with east or west?), and got the directions as well as several landmarks just before the store. Look for Target and Lowes, she said.
So I drove back through town (lotsa signals, most of them red), see the Target, see Lowes, and another large building with no discernable sign far from the highway but up ahead there's only fields, miles to the next intersection, and a left-turn pocket right here. I made the left turn, drove back to the large building and it was the Walmart! Yea! Of course it was now 7:15pm.
I drove to the tire department and saw to my joy there were still people working there. So I park, walk over and ask can they sell me some tires and mount them for me tonight. "Yes!" (mood swing up!) I point to the trailer and am told they cannot do trailers. (Mood swing down) Why not? They didn't have a proper jack. If I take off the wheels then can you do it? Yes (another mood reversal) I take off one wheel and walk over with it. At that point a different guy snags me and tells me he needs to check if they have something appropriate in stock. (mood swings to uh-oh)
He checks stock -- no matching trailer tire. (mood swing down) He has premounted tires on wheels, (mood swing up) but it turns out their 13" wheels with 4-lug pattern has the wrong size pilot hole (the center hole that goes over the hub) (mood swing down). They have automobile tires that would fit but are not allowed to mount on a trailer. Ah! he says, I know of someone who will mount these for you, but it will cost $60 extra because it's after hours. (mood swing up) So I get the business name, phone number, and buy two auto tires for $75.
I go to the "other place" and had expected to see someone there -- no one there. I call the number but can only leave a message. It's getting dark, I'm very hungry, and I'm stuck there across the street from a shopping center with all kinds of food places (restaurants seems a little too high-falutin' a term) offering comestibles for my growling stomach.
So I call a few more times, and as I call once more I get an incoming call from the guy I'm trying to reach. I don't know my wife's cell phone so I muff picking it up, but I call right back and he answers (mood swing up!!!) I'm having a hard time hearing him (hiway 120 is a highway, after all) and understanding him (accent as well as the fact he's yelling into the phone and it's distorting badly). When I say "What?" he yells louder making the distortion even worse.
I agree to the $60 surcharge and he say he'll xmflsdndgsg over. I guess that means either he or someone else is coming, so that's good.
Half an hour later he shows up and tells me he called me three times, why didn't I answer. I look at the phone and he's right -- 3 missed calls. I hadn't heard it at all because of all the traffic. He tells me that it's going to cost me $60 cash to open the door, and another $40 to mount the two tires, $100 cash total. Is that OK? Not what I expected and I say so, but I say OK.
He opens the door and tells me to move the trailer to a specific spot which requires the car to drive over the sidewalk and off the curb. Camry's are not noted for having high clearance, so I check the curb height carefully, which annoys him. That's his problem, not mine, I say to myself.
I get the trailer close to where he wants and he takes off a wheel and removes the old tire. Do I want new valve stems? Of course -- How much? $10 each. Yipe!! When I grumble he tells me "Hey, I'm just making a wage like everyone else!" I decide to keep my mouth shut because I have no choice. But this is an all-cash deal, no receipts, so we know none of this is being reported as a sale or income. Pretty sweet for him!
He did know his job, did good work on the trailer, my wallet, and my short hairs.
I finally was ready to leave at 9:05pm, just after the food places had all shut down for the night (mood swings to awwww).
Dana,
Some adventure just to get your trailer! Hope the problem areas can all be fixed to your satisfaction. Welcome to the Compact clan.
Tom Trostel
http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm41/to...mview=slideshow
Some adventure just to get your trailer! Hope the problem areas can all be fixed to your satisfaction. Welcome to the Compact clan.
Tom Trostel
http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm41/to...mview=slideshow
Hi Tom, thanks for the welcome!
I had perused your slideshow before -- it was one of the reasons I was looking for a Compact Jr, Campster, or something similar.
I have a question: what do the screws that attach the front and side windows really bite into -- the fiberglass shell or the wood window frames on the inside? I ask because the windows should be pulled out in order to reseal them. I would like to replace the window frames at the same time and if they're just for show I can use anything, but if they are actually part of the structure I'll have to be more careful in my selection.
Thanks!
I had perused your slideshow before -- it was one of the reasons I was looking for a Compact Jr, Campster, or something similar.
I have a question: what do the screws that attach the front and side windows really bite into -- the fiberglass shell or the wood window frames on the inside? I ask because the windows should be pulled out in order to reseal them. I would like to replace the window frames at the same time and if they're just for show I can use anything, but if they are actually part of the structure I'll have to be more careful in my selection.
Thanks!
I hadn't heard the story! I'm glad you got the tires- I should have told you where the Walmart was but I might have gotten you just as lost and then it would be my fault, so maybe just as well.
Bobbie
Bobbie
QUOTE (Dana T @ May 22 2009, 06:45 PM) 
I have a question: what do the screws that attach the front and side windows really bite into -- the fiberglass shell or the wood window frames on the inside?
In my Compact Jr. the wood window frames were structural because they used wood screws to mount the windows.
Having said that, you might consider pop-riveting the windows to the fiberglass and do away with the wood frames altogether.
Thanks for the info Frederick!
Frederick is correct. The screws sandwich the outer aluminum window frame to the inner soft wood frame. My windows were waterproof when purchased but the screws were rusted and ugly. The inside window frame had yellowed and was also ugly. I replaced all the wood screws with zinc plated ones and after 5 years of ownership they still look good. I painted the inside wood with enamel the color of the walls. I thought about replacing the inside wood with oak but haven't yet. I moved on to other projects. 
Tom Trostel
Tom Trostel
I believe the wood also is there to add rigidity to the sides.... On my rebuild, I just happened to stumble ( 
) on some nice mahogany to use... I used SS screws, the type known as truss heads, as the have a larger head and also do not stick out far. (since I live in Eastern WA, I do not worry about the conflict between alum and SS) Larry
) on some nice mahogany to use... I used SS screws, the type known as truss heads, as the have a larger head and also do not stick out far. (since I live in Eastern WA, I do not worry about the conflict between alum and SS) Larry
Congratulations, Dana! Finally you found a Compact. The Camry towed without a hitch, right? Not bad for a 4 cyl.
Enjoyed your story; you write very well.
I used to live in So Cal and could picture your descriptions. 
Sorry you had such a harried, frustrating journey, though. At least you got home safely.
Enjoy your new project! The Compacts are neat little trailers.
Best,
Fran
'74 Compact II
Enjoyed your story; you write very well.
I used to live in So Cal and could picture your descriptions. Sorry you had such a harried, frustrating journey, though. At least you got home safely.Enjoy your new project! The Compacts are neat little trailers.
Best,
Fran
'74 Compact II
Dana,
Welcome, If you ever get really south in California (San Diego), Drop me a line and we will compare.
Linda
WOW Dana, sounds like quite an adventure! I sympathize with you, had to put new tires on my trailer myself a few weeks ago, but my experience went much smoother... (Pops knows the local tire shop guys, that good old boy sort of thing, you know?) Still, it's never fun when stuff comes up unexpectedly...
Welcome to the 'family' though, and keep posting as you fix up/mod your rig, with plenty of pics for all of us 'lurkers' to look at, K? I find it interesting that your trailer has a heater, since mine doesn't. From what I understand, that's one of the few options mine doesn't have, so I'm curious to know more about how and where it's installed.
Anyway, welcome, and good luck in your future with your fun little rig!
Joe
Welcome to the 'family' though, and keep posting as you fix up/mod your rig, with plenty of pics for all of us 'lurkers' to look at, K? I find it interesting that your trailer has a heater, since mine doesn't. From what I understand, that's one of the few options mine doesn't have, so I'm curious to know more about how and where it's installed.
Anyway, welcome, and good luck in your future with your fun little rig!
Joe
Thanks for the welcome and tips, everyone.
Tom, I'll have to replace the inside wood window frames because they are rotted -- water came in between the aluminum window frame and the fiberglass once the putty dried out many years ago. I have ordered some butyl putty tape and will pick up some oak and redo the windows. Oh yeah, I'll have to scrape off the silicon rubber that was put on after the PO discovered the leaks.
Francene, the 4-cylindar Camry really wasn't all that happy towing the trailer on I-5 and especially on Highway 41 just outside of Kettleman City. That grade gave me the choice of going 50mph or better but at 4800rpm or more, or 47mph at 3200rpm. Fortunately it was a weeknight so there was no one behind me and I could go as slowly as I liked.
When I got to the coast I experimented a little and learned that on level ground at sea level, the Camry was happy at 57mph but at 62mph it wasn't. That's fine for level ground, but doesn't leave me any headroom for going up grades.
Overall I got 15mpg on the way back as compared to the normal 24mpg going up to Turlock.
I do look forward to travelling in the 4-Corners area and along the Mogollon Rim, which means I'll be at 7,000-8,000 feet elevation. If the Camry is struggling with grades at sea level it most definitely won't like the thin high-altitude air. So I'm beginning to look for a replacement tug, but only after my wife and I try out the trailer on a few local trips and decide this is something we really want to do.
Tomorrow morning I go to the DMV to get the registration changed and to a local welder to put on more reasonable safety chains.
Joseph, the heater is installed at floor level below the cooktop. The owner said he had not tried it, and I doubt that it works. What I want more than a heater is a gas refrigerator -- by all appearances the trailer came with an ice box and the owner replaced that with a 110v dorm-type mini-fridge. I say that because there is no evidence of the vents needed for a gas refrigerator. Anyway, where I'm going there's no 110v, and I'm definitely not taking a generator!
Tom, I'll have to replace the inside wood window frames because they are rotted -- water came in between the aluminum window frame and the fiberglass once the putty dried out many years ago. I have ordered some butyl putty tape and will pick up some oak and redo the windows. Oh yeah, I'll have to scrape off the silicon rubber that was put on after the PO discovered the leaks.
Francene, the 4-cylindar Camry really wasn't all that happy towing the trailer on I-5 and especially on Highway 41 just outside of Kettleman City. That grade gave me the choice of going 50mph or better but at 4800rpm or more, or 47mph at 3200rpm. Fortunately it was a weeknight so there was no one behind me and I could go as slowly as I liked.
When I got to the coast I experimented a little and learned that on level ground at sea level, the Camry was happy at 57mph but at 62mph it wasn't. That's fine for level ground, but doesn't leave me any headroom for going up grades.
Overall I got 15mpg on the way back as compared to the normal 24mpg going up to Turlock.
I do look forward to travelling in the 4-Corners area and along the Mogollon Rim, which means I'll be at 7,000-8,000 feet elevation. If the Camry is struggling with grades at sea level it most definitely won't like the thin high-altitude air. So I'm beginning to look for a replacement tug, but only after my wife and I try out the trailer on a few local trips and decide this is something we really want to do.
Tomorrow morning I go to the DMV to get the registration changed and to a local welder to put on more reasonable safety chains.
Joseph, the heater is installed at floor level below the cooktop. The owner said he had not tried it, and I doubt that it works. What I want more than a heater is a gas refrigerator -- by all appearances the trailer came with an ice box and the owner replaced that with a 110v dorm-type mini-fridge. I say that because there is no evidence of the vents needed for a gas refrigerator. Anyway, where I'm going there's no 110v, and I'm definitely not taking a generator!
Great posts, Dana! Thanks for this entertaining (for those of us who didn't have to LIVE it) account of your shopping trip and return trek!
The trip and tribulations weren't that bad, especially since I consider them as part of the adventure.
Today was quite different -- I had an appointment with the DMV at 9:15am, then was scheduled to go to a local welder to have new safety chains installed. Yeah, I know that's the wrong order, but that's the way the calendar worked out.
I get to the DMV at 9:10, I'm called to the window at 9:16, and I'm finished by 9:25. All they wanted was the old pink slip and new money. PTI title fee of $18, PTI transfer fee of $7, and Use Tax (sales tax) of $79. They didn't even ask to see the trailer and I saw no reason to suggest the possibility to them.
Then I went to the welder who had me park in a large lot and told me one of his guys would be there shortly. Well, what the heck I thought, lets pull those wheels off and get them balanced at my favorite tire shop only 3 blocks away while the welder is doing his thing. I'm just about done taking the wheels off when the welder shows up with his fancy truck. I show him what I want done, hand him the new safety chains, and while he's setting up I put the wheels in the car and take them to the tire shop. About ten minutes later the wheels are balanced, I pay the $14 (fortunately they didn't get their pricing from the Los Banos guy), and scamper back to the trailer. I put on the wheels while the welder finishes his work and we get to talking about trailers -- a friend is giving him a small one so I tell him about the PTI license that's available if the trailer does not exceed 16'. He goes away happy with this bit of knowledge and I pay $40 at the front office (their minimum charge), and also leave happy that I managed to do these three errands and get home before 11am.
Not only that but I think I have a line on a 3-way refrigerator!
A really good day and it's not even time for lunch yet!
Today was quite different -- I had an appointment with the DMV at 9:15am, then was scheduled to go to a local welder to have new safety chains installed. Yeah, I know that's the wrong order, but that's the way the calendar worked out.
I get to the DMV at 9:10, I'm called to the window at 9:16, and I'm finished by 9:25. All they wanted was the old pink slip and new money. PTI title fee of $18, PTI transfer fee of $7, and Use Tax (sales tax) of $79. They didn't even ask to see the trailer and I saw no reason to suggest the possibility to them.
Then I went to the welder who had me park in a large lot and told me one of his guys would be there shortly. Well, what the heck I thought, lets pull those wheels off and get them balanced at my favorite tire shop only 3 blocks away while the welder is doing his thing. I'm just about done taking the wheels off when the welder shows up with his fancy truck. I show him what I want done, hand him the new safety chains, and while he's setting up I put the wheels in the car and take them to the tire shop. About ten minutes later the wheels are balanced, I pay the $14 (fortunately they didn't get their pricing from the Los Banos guy), and scamper back to the trailer. I put on the wheels while the welder finishes his work and we get to talking about trailers -- a friend is giving him a small one so I tell him about the PTI license that's available if the trailer does not exceed 16'. He goes away happy with this bit of knowledge and I pay $40 at the front office (their minimum charge), and also leave happy that I managed to do these three errands and get home before 11am.
Not only that but I think I have a line on a 3-way refrigerator!
A really good day and it's not even time for lunch yet!
Dana
I also want to welcome you to the Compact Jr Family. Sorry I did not reply sooner but we were camping at Lake Erie State Park and it was a perfect weekend with a sunset to match. Wait until you see how many people want to look at your trailer and ask you some questions. Please keep us up to date on your progress.
I also want to welcome you to the Compact Jr Family. Sorry I did not reply sooner but we were camping at Lake Erie State Park and it was a perfect weekend with a sunset to match. Wait until you see how many people want to look at your trailer and ask you some questions. Please keep us up to date on your progress.
Hi Rick, thanks for the welcome!
Currently the trailer is a mess and there's not much to see. I have been meaning to post pictures but have been otherwise occupied by things like fences and gates so I can put it in our back yard. It's currently on the patio, but the "gate" so far is an 8' section of fence that I take down and put up each time. Even though it is well-seasoned redwood (over 27 years old) is is heavy!
The funny thing is that the native color of the trailer is light blue, similar to your avatar. So every time I take off a light or look in the wheel wells or otherwise expose the unpainted fiberglass I see blue.
Currently the trailer is a mess and there's not much to see. I have been meaning to post pictures but have been otherwise occupied by things like fences and gates so I can put it in our back yard. It's currently on the patio, but the "gate" so far is an 8' section of fence that I take down and put up each time. Even though it is well-seasoned redwood (over 27 years old) is is heavy!
The funny thing is that the native color of the trailer is light blue, similar to your avatar. So every time I take off a light or look in the wheel wells or otherwise expose the unpainted fiberglass I see blue.
I was wet sanding my weathered trailer and as I work at it the blue kept getting better and better so I decided not to paint it but leave it blue. The color really sets it apart from the other trailers. I have not seen another blue Compact Jr. yet, as a matter of fact I have not seen another Compact Jr in Western New York.
I spoke too soon about the refrigerator -- I'm finding very difficult to find one that is shallow enough.
Most that I find for sale are 24" from the coils in the back to the front of the door. Another inch is needed for clearance and venting behind the fridge, which leaves me with too little aisle space for us to slip past one another.
Several much older fridges were shallower, but most of them have rusted out by now, so this really is a puzzle.
Most that I find for sale are 24" from the coils in the back to the front of the door. Another inch is needed for clearance and venting behind the fridge, which leaves me with too little aisle space for us to slip past one another.
Several much older fridges were shallower, but most of them have rusted out by now, so this really is a puzzle.
Rick, you may see one in western NY one of these days. Hi, I like Dana am new to this fiberglass camper thing and have started out with a 72 compact JR. I live in Canton Ohio, so not realy that far away, Dana I have posted the info you wanted under the thred you asked me on for Dana's 74 compact II.
Norcold 323
I have a 1973 Compact II and when my original Dometic stopped working on gas I had to find a replacement. I found that the Norcold 323 fridge is only 21 1/4 inch deep so it fit in the space fine. The only problem with the newer fridges in this size is there is no freezer section. It does a good job of cooling on gas or 120volt. I've never ran it on 12v but it is wired if I need to.
I have a 1973 Compact II and when my original Dometic stopped working on gas I had to find a replacement. I found that the Norcold 323 fridge is only 21 1/4 inch deep so it fit in the space fine. The only problem with the newer fridges in this size is there is no freezer section. It does a good job of cooling on gas or 120volt. I've never ran it on 12v but it is wired if I need to.
Thanks for the info Heath & Mike!
Man, is it late!
Both in time of day and well past time to update this thread.
Here are some pictures of what I dragged home in the wee hours, but taken the next day when it was light out.
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You can see I didn't do a good job of tucking in the poptop skirt...
Both in time of day and well past time to update this thread.
Here are some pictures of what I dragged home in the wee hours, but taken the next day when it was light out.
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You can see I didn't do a good job of tucking in the poptop skirt...
The bent bumper and broken window are quite visible here.
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The previous owner is quite a bit shorter than me, so the shelf above the dinette worked well for him but not for me. I also found the TV shelf at the end of the dinette intruded into my space too much.
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The vinyl skirt is yellowed and cracked with the bigger splits mended by tape.
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The upside is the trailer has a heater, the downside is that it probably doesn't work.
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The previous owner is quite a bit shorter than me, so the shelf above the dinette worked well for him but not for me. I also found the TV shelf at the end of the dinette intruded into my space too much.
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The vinyl skirt is yellowed and cracked with the bigger splits mended by tape.
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The upside is the trailer has a heater, the downside is that it probably doesn't work.
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Here's the other side -- we have a dorm fridge (110V only) and a small clothes closet.
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So what's hiding under the dinette seats? Uh oh, mold, mildew, and rot. However, we also have a camp axe, shovel, and the wheel for the tongue jack.
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We also have some 12V electronics of uncertain condition.
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We also have some 12V electronics of uncertain condition.
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The original galley vent rusted out so it was replaced with a standard heater vent. I found the pieces of the original several days later behind the heater.
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These are the tires that I didn't want to drive home on, so I replaced them at the first town I came to.
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The top is dished instead of bowed.
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The rubber channel in the windows has cracked and shrunk tremendously.
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Looky what I found underneath the swing jack and layers of paint!
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The rubber channel in the windows has cracked and shrunk tremendously.
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Looky what I found underneath the swing jack and layers of paint!
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I pulled off the curbside window and discovered several things. One is that the screws along the top are very close to the edge of the fiberglass, and one isn't even in the fiberglass at all!
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How do you like the original color -- robin's egg blue!?
For where I'm going I think the mud brown is a better choice...
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How do you like the original color -- robin's egg blue!?
For where I'm going I think the mud brown is a better choice...
Wonderful photo documentation. It would appear that the quilted insulation was added in 1973 models. I have the same issue of screw holes for the curbside window very close to the edge of the cut out. I am trusting the sandwhich effect to hold all in place.
I think all the Jr windows were cut the same because mine were that way. I just made sure the screws were in the wood trim and every thing has been fine. Keep posting pictures on your progress and good luck with your trailer. A couple owners have done ground up restorations which are a great help when working on our trailers.
Hi Kent, I also decided it was better to leave things alone regarding the screw holes right at the edge of the fiberglass and like you am also depending on the fact that the aluminum window frame and the new wood frame I built adequately sandwich the fiberglass. The somewhat scary part is that the waterproof seal at the top of the window is less than a 1/16" in width -- it doesn't leave much margin of safety!
Thank you for the kind words, Rick.
Yes, I have been reading the other threads about refurbishments to get ideas for my own. And I'm not limiting myself to only Compact Jr threads either! There's lots of really great stuff here.
Yes, I have been reading the other threads about refurbishments to get ideas for my own. And I'm not limiting myself to only Compact Jr threads either! There's lots of really great stuff here.
The original wood frames for the side windows were completely rotten -- I pulled them off without having to bother removing the screws.
So I made new ones out of poplar stock I got at Home Depot.
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Some previous owner had decided the way to stop the leaks was to tighten the screws some more. Of course this only succeeded in bending the frame so the points halfway between the screws stood even further from the trailer body with the result that the windows leaked even worse than before.
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This is something my father taught me when I was replacing the thick cork oilpan gasket in my mother's Nash -- only tighten the studs as much as necessary to make good contact. If you tighten any more than that the pan will distort and it will leak worse than if it had no gasket at all.
After careful hammering and flexing I got the frames pretty well straightened out again.
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I used the windows themselves as the jigs for squaring up the wooden frames when I glued the joints. I did it this way so if the frames were not square it wouldn't matter -- the wooden frame would match the window anyway.
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So I made new ones out of poplar stock I got at Home Depot.
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Some previous owner had decided the way to stop the leaks was to tighten the screws some more. Of course this only succeeded in bending the frame so the points halfway between the screws stood even further from the trailer body with the result that the windows leaked even worse than before.
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This is something my father taught me when I was replacing the thick cork oilpan gasket in my mother's Nash -- only tighten the studs as much as necessary to make good contact. If you tighten any more than that the pan will distort and it will leak worse than if it had no gasket at all.
After careful hammering and flexing I got the frames pretty well straightened out again.
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I used the windows themselves as the jigs for squaring up the wooden frames when I glued the joints. I did it this way so if the frames were not square it wouldn't matter -- the wooden frame would match the window anyway.
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While the window frames were setting up, and then being varnished, I attacked the cushions. I pulled off the current covers and was greeted with the original fabric -- it was so choice that I had to set them in the trailer so we could enjoy them in their full glory:
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Here's the label which tells us the foam is urethane foam:
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The original covers were badly sun-rotted, and the foam itself quite moldy, so I ripped off the covers and this is what I saw:
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I washed each foam block in the bathtub with Clorox water and lots of rinses, drained overnight, then I used a wet/dry shop vacuum to pull out most of the water that was left. Even so, each cushion took several days to dry because the humidity is high here near the coast. So it took about a week and a half to do all four cushions. They do look quite a bit better now:
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The reason I didn't just toss them and buy new foam is that my wife and I are not sure how much camping we will want or be able to do. This way we won't have a whole lot of money sunk into this project if it turns out we need to abandon it.
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Here's the label which tells us the foam is urethane foam:
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The original covers were badly sun-rotted, and the foam itself quite moldy, so I ripped off the covers and this is what I saw:
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I washed each foam block in the bathtub with Clorox water and lots of rinses, drained overnight, then I used a wet/dry shop vacuum to pull out most of the water that was left. Even so, each cushion took several days to dry because the humidity is high here near the coast. So it took about a week and a half to do all four cushions. They do look quite a bit better now:
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The reason I didn't just toss them and buy new foam is that my wife and I are not sure how much camping we will want or be able to do. This way we won't have a whole lot of money sunk into this project if it turns out we need to abandon it.
While the varnish was drying on the window frames and the cushions were drying out, I cleaned up the walls and floor of the trailer. Fortunately that quilted vinyl will tolerate some pretty agressive cleaning to rid it of the accumulated dirt and mold.
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I also had to tear out much of the upper framing for the dinette seats because it was pretty rotten, especially on the curb side.
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So, I could make seat slats with wood from Home Depot, or something I found at our local ReStore -- the Habitat for Humanity store. I found some really nice maple cabinet doors for only $1 each, which was quite a bit cheaper than buying the same amount of poplar at Home Depot -- and the wood in the cabinet doors was better too! Well, when I came time to cut them up I just couldn't -- they were too pretty. So I went back to the ReStore and bought some doors that were in a hideous color that I wouldn't mind cutting up. As I was walking out one of the volunteers looked at the doors and said "Ooh, that's my favorite color!" Because it wasn't my favorite color, I happily sliced them up to make the seat slats.
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Another piece of wood I found at the ReStore was a very nice 3/4" birch plywood sheet 34" x 48" -- just right for the table top (2' x 4') with two 10" x24" pieces left over to fill in the aisleway slats when the dinette was made into the bed. I got that for the grand total of $11 + tax!
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I also had to tear out much of the upper framing for the dinette seats because it was pretty rotten, especially on the curb side.
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So, I could make seat slats with wood from Home Depot, or something I found at our local ReStore -- the Habitat for Humanity store. I found some really nice maple cabinet doors for only $1 each, which was quite a bit cheaper than buying the same amount of poplar at Home Depot -- and the wood in the cabinet doors was better too! Well, when I came time to cut them up I just couldn't -- they were too pretty. So I went back to the ReStore and bought some doors that were in a hideous color that I wouldn't mind cutting up. As I was walking out one of the volunteers looked at the doors and said "Ooh, that's my favorite color!" Because it wasn't my favorite color, I happily sliced them up to make the seat slats.
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Another piece of wood I found at the ReStore was a very nice 3/4" birch plywood sheet 34" x 48" -- just right for the table top (2' x 4') with two 10" x24" pieces left over to fill in the aisleway slats when the dinette was made into the bed. I got that for the grand total of $11 + tax!
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I finally got the table in and the foam cushions dried out and back in their covers, so it was time for the acid test -- is the trailer comfortable?
On July 3 my wife and I camped out in our back yard, and slept in the trailer. We wanted to know whether the foam cushions were adequate -- and they were! We did lightly bottom out on them, but not so much that it was annoying and it certainly did not impede sleeping.
The trailer had passed it's first major test!
On July 3 my wife and I camped out in our back yard, and slept in the trailer. We wanted to know whether the foam cushions were adequate -- and they were! We did lightly bottom out on them, but not so much that it was annoying and it certainly did not impede sleeping.
The trailer had passed it's first major test!
Nice work, Dana! You really must have scrubbed the inside; it looks so much better than the 'before' pictures.
I did the same thing with my foam cushions- lots of bleach and many days in the sun.
You really fixed the windows nicely; the woodwork on the frames is very cool.
Great finds at your Restore- wow, that's nice thick birch ply. Good show!
Keep up the nice work; looks like you've gotten a lot done so far, in not much time.
Fran
74 Compact II
I did the same thing with my foam cushions- lots of bleach and many days in the sun.
You really fixed the windows nicely; the woodwork on the frames is very cool.
Great finds at your Restore- wow, that's nice thick birch ply. Good show!
Keep up the nice work; looks like you've gotten a lot done so far, in not much time.
Fran
74 Compact II
Hi Fran, I'm just trying to keep up with you!
In comparison to your thorough renovation my little dibs and dabs are quite picayune. The "woodwork" in mine is pretty pathetic, with the contact paper peeling off and the drawers askew, but I'm leaving that alone for now because I really want to take the trailer out and use it this summer. My wife has some time off in early August so I had better have things buttoned up by then.
A funny thing is that the broken rear window is the first thing I started to fix, but only got done a couple of days ago. Other things, like mold eradication, took priority. Oh yeah, "done" is a relative term -- it's good enough to use, but it would be nice to fix the latches as well.
In comparison to your thorough renovation my little dibs and dabs are quite picayune. The "woodwork" in mine is pretty pathetic, with the contact paper peeling off and the drawers askew, but I'm leaving that alone for now because I really want to take the trailer out and use it this summer. My wife has some time off in early August so I had better have things buttoned up by then.
A funny thing is that the broken rear window is the first thing I started to fix, but only got done a couple of days ago. Other things, like mold eradication, took priority. Oh yeah, "done" is a relative term -- it's good enough to use, but it would be nice to fix the latches as well.
As the next test of the trailer we wanted to cook and eat a meal in it. A three-pot dinner sounded like a good test.
On the morning of July 12th I tested all the propane connections and the cooktop valves to make sure there were no leaks. I also lit the three burners (one at a time) and made sure the valves still did not leak. Everything was fine. So I told my wife to plan on cooking in the trailer that evening. Then she left on errands.
In the meantime, I thought I should really take a good look at the propane tank to see how badly rusted it is, and also to measure how much we had. When I took it loose the O-ring on the POL (Prest-O-Lite) fitting gave up the ghost. After all those years of outdoor exposure it had dried out and shrunk, and the act of taking the fitting loose was the final straw.
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Now I was in trouble -- there was no way of using the propane system without that O-ring, and it was late afternoon on a Sunday. And our town doesn't have any RV places at all. All our good local hardware stores are closed on Sunday, so that wasn't an option. I tried Home Depot but all they had was faucet repair kits, and none of them seemed to have the right O-ring.
I then went to OSH and, wonder of wonders, they actually have O-rings, neatly packages by size. And they had exactly one package of the size I needed!
I scampered home and slipped on the O-ring, buttoned things up, tested for leaks -- oh dear, the POL fitting was leaking slowly -- reseated the POL, retested, and everything was fine.
Oh yeah, the tank is going to need to be recertified in 2 years and the rust looks bad enough that I don't want to do all the scraping and painting for such a short lifetime. Especially after I bought another empty tank in excellent condition for $5!
So we'll use up the propane that's in the tank (it's nearly full, BTW), then turn it in to be scrapped.
This little escapade put me in mind of Frederick L. Simson's age-related failure of the propane tubing on his refrigerator, (see Refrigerator Fire) and how a small, inexpensive part can cause drastic changes in plans.
Oh yes, dinner was yummy, and the trailer passed it's second major test.
On the morning of July 12th I tested all the propane connections and the cooktop valves to make sure there were no leaks. I also lit the three burners (one at a time) and made sure the valves still did not leak. Everything was fine. So I told my wife to plan on cooking in the trailer that evening. Then she left on errands.
In the meantime, I thought I should really take a good look at the propane tank to see how badly rusted it is, and also to measure how much we had. When I took it loose the O-ring on the POL (Prest-O-Lite) fitting gave up the ghost. After all those years of outdoor exposure it had dried out and shrunk, and the act of taking the fitting loose was the final straw.
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Now I was in trouble -- there was no way of using the propane system without that O-ring, and it was late afternoon on a Sunday. And our town doesn't have any RV places at all. All our good local hardware stores are closed on Sunday, so that wasn't an option. I tried Home Depot but all they had was faucet repair kits, and none of them seemed to have the right O-ring.
I then went to OSH and, wonder of wonders, they actually have O-rings, neatly packages by size. And they had exactly one package of the size I needed!
I scampered home and slipped on the O-ring, buttoned things up, tested for leaks -- oh dear, the POL fitting was leaking slowly -- reseated the POL, retested, and everything was fine.
Oh yeah, the tank is going to need to be recertified in 2 years and the rust looks bad enough that I don't want to do all the scraping and painting for such a short lifetime. Especially after I bought another empty tank in excellent condition for $5!
So we'll use up the propane that's in the tank (it's nearly full, BTW), then turn it in to be scrapped.
This little escapade put me in mind of Frederick L. Simson's age-related failure of the propane tubing on his refrigerator, (see Refrigerator Fire) and how a small, inexpensive part can cause drastic changes in plans.
Oh yes, dinner was yummy, and the trailer passed it's second major test.
I think my wife is getting into the spirit of the hunt -- when I said I had exhausted all the stores here in my endeavors to find suitable lightweight but pleasing plastic dishes and wanted to drive to a town that had quality stores like Walmart, Target, Pier One, and etc., I found I was talking to empty air as she ran and jumped into the car.
So we drove down the highway, watching for small trailers on our way, and stopped in at said stores. I was looking for good quality but inexpensive stuff. My wife's scale was definitely above mine. I knew she had bonded to the idea of camping with the trailer when she said "We'll need sets of four so we can host Charlie & Susan, or Mike & Linda." What really cinched it was "Don't forget the wine glasses!"
Hmm, the Tiltin Hilton is definitely in her plans for the summer....
So we drove down the highway, watching for small trailers on our way, and stopped in at said stores. I was looking for good quality but inexpensive stuff. My wife's scale was definitely above mine. I knew she had bonded to the idea of camping with the trailer when she said "We'll need sets of four so we can host Charlie & Susan, or Mike & Linda." What really cinched it was "Don't forget the wine glasses!"
Hmm, the Tiltin Hilton is definitely in her plans for the summer....
That is great to hear. Elaine, Lucy (our Dog, but don't let her know that) and I have a great time in our Jr. We just relax and enjoying the time away from the busy world.
Glad to hear you are already enjoying your trailer!I don't know where a O ring is on a propane tank, but I will definitely check the system on my CII before use.
The propane tank that came with my trailer looks old, some rust but not too bad. The fridge and stove worked fine before dissasembly; I expect they'll be the same upon reassembly. I considered replacing the tank for a 'modern' one, but there's gas in the older one. What does this 'certification' mean?
You seem to know much more about propane tanks than me. All I know is about the new ones that you can exchange for filled ones, and in CA there was a regulation that the tank had to have the newer valve type or it couldn't be refilled. Well in WA I think there are similar laws.
Fran
The propane tank that came with my trailer looks old, some rust but not too bad. The fridge and stove worked fine before dissasembly; I expect they'll be the same upon reassembly. I considered replacing the tank for a 'modern' one, but there's gas in the older one. What does this 'certification' mean?
You seem to know much more about propane tanks than me. All I know is about the new ones that you can exchange for filled ones, and in CA there was a regulation that the tank had to have the newer valve type or it couldn't be refilled. Well in WA I think there are similar laws.
Fran
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... I considered replacing the tank for a 'modern' one, but there's gas in the older one. ...
use up gas in old one (if it all seems safe) then trade old one in at one of those trade it propane places. Yes they take the old ones and give you a new one. They take the old as a way to cycle them out of use and get them disposed of safetly. Don't know if this was a regulation built into the start of the rent tank industry or if the companies just allowed it with mindset that it will open more doors for them finacially as a business (hope the last one) but either way.... its a good way to help keep us all safe by slowly removing old and getting unsafe tanks from trailer parks, back yards etc. etc.
Propane tanks manufactured since September 30, 1998 are required to have an Overfill Protection Device (OPD). Since 2002 only tanks with an OPD can be refilled.
A simple way of determining whether the tank has an OPD is by looking at the handwheel on the valve -- it is triangular on tanks with an OPD, and is not on earlier tanks.
This site has a pretty good explanation: http://www.pioneerrentalsinc.com/opd.htm
As a separate issue, tanks must be recertified every 12 years. The date code is stamped on the tank and is a 4-digit code in the form of mmyy -- for instance 0298 is February 1998. Note that this tank's certification will expire in February of 2010. I mention this because one guy wanted to sell me a tank with this date code! I like to hang on to my tanks and get them refilled because it's cheaper than doing an exchange, and also I know the condition of the valve and POL seat.
To find the datecode position yourself so the valve is facing you -- the date code is on the top of the left valve guard. Here's a picture with an arrow pointing to the datacode area:
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Ain't trailers fun? I didn't know this stuff until a few weeks ago when I started looking at the condition of my propane system.
A simple way of determining whether the tank has an OPD is by looking at the handwheel on the valve -- it is triangular on tanks with an OPD, and is not on earlier tanks.
This site has a pretty good explanation: http://www.pioneerrentalsinc.com/opd.htm
As a separate issue, tanks must be recertified every 12 years. The date code is stamped on the tank and is a 4-digit code in the form of mmyy -- for instance 0298 is February 1998. Note that this tank's certification will expire in February of 2010. I mention this because one guy wanted to sell me a tank with this date code! I like to hang on to my tanks and get them refilled because it's cheaper than doing an exchange, and also I know the condition of the valve and POL seat.
To find the datecode position yourself so the valve is facing you -- the date code is on the top of the left valve guard. Here's a picture with an arrow pointing to the datacode area:
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Ain't trailers fun? I didn't know this stuff until a few weeks ago when I started looking at the condition of my propane system.
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Glad to hear you are already enjoying your trailer!I don't know where a O ring is on a propane tank...
Fran, the O-ring isn't on the tank, but on my old and out-of-date POL nipple on my equally old regulator. I plan to replace both soon, but for that dinner my only choice was to find an O-ring because there is no store in this town that has the proper two-stage regulators.
The newer tanks have a compliant seat built into them and the POL nipple is just a brass fitting with no O-ring. When you get a new tank take a good look at the "rubber" seat in the valve and make sure it looks good with no slices or cracking. Also feel it and make sure it still has some "give" to it so it can conform to the face of the nipple.
As for "enjoying our trailer" I have a story to tell -- it'll show up in the next several days.
How are you faring with yours?
Unseemly Seams
Here are some pictures of the vertical seams in my Compact Jr. I'm trying to figure out if it's merely a case of the seam tape popping off, or are the seams actually pulling apart. I don't know how tidy Hunter was about filling in the voids when they joined the halves together.
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Thanks!
Here are some pictures of the vertical seams in my Compact Jr. I'm trying to figure out if it's merely a case of the seam tape popping off, or are the seams actually pulling apart. I don't know how tidy Hunter was about filling in the voids when they joined the halves together.
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So what do you think? Are the halves pulling apart, or is this normal?
Thanks!
Dana, this looks exactly like what I discovered when I pulled off the remains of duck tape covering my seams. I mixed up fiberglass resin and filled in the cracks, let it cure, sanded it and I am ready to paint. Since others commented in like fashion when I made the inquiry during the winter, I assume this was a time saving measure on Hunter Industries part. No cracks or deficiencies on the inside
Hi Kent, thank you for the info. I'll peer under the vinyl quilting at the seams and see if things seem to be OK on the inside.
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