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Old 02-23-2012, 01:41 PM   #29
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When I was comparing the Scamp 13 deluxe with the Escape 13 I did a feature-by-feature comparison, and found the following differences:
1. Scamp 13 had a 20 amp converter, Escape 13 had a 45 amp converter
2. Scamp 13 had an upholstered interior, Escape 13 had vinyl covered interior
3. Scamp 13 had curtains, Escape 13 had draw down pleated shades
4. Scamp 13 had plastic front window, Escape 13 had glass front window
5. Scamp 13 charges $300 for extra lights and outlets, Escape 13 included these
6. Scamp 13 had brown carpet, Escape 13 had vinyl flooring
7. Scamp 13 charges $385 extra for furnace, Escape 13 includes
8. Scamp 13 had no range hood, Escape 13 had range hood
9. Scamp 13 had retractable screen door as option, Escape 13 includes
10. Scamp 13 had front rock shield option, Escape 13 includes
11. Scamp 13 charges $300 for demand water, Escape 13 includes
12. Scamp 13 charges $1000 extra for electric brakes, Escape 13 includes
13. Scamp 13 charges $430 extra for awning, Escape 13 includes

At the time I made the comparison (August 2009) the total comparable cost delivered to our location was within $100 of being the same.

With our Escape 13 we were able to choose the following additional options:
1. Exterior 110 volt outlet
2. Exterior shower package and hot water heater
3. Extra insulation and thermal windows
4. Factory tinted windows
5. 12 volt outlet
6. Maxx fan
7. Portable toilet with cabinet
8. Stainless steel sink and faucet
9. Custom arborite counter and table top -- we chose the laminate
10. Custom cushion covers -- we chose the fabric
11. Custom exterior graphics

After-sales service from Escape has been outstanding.


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The entry price for a Scamp 13 is $8495 even the Scamp 13 Deluxe (all wood interior) with bath is $13,695 so way less than this Escape 13 at $18,682. The Scamp 16 Standard is $11,295 and Deluxe is $17,195. Scamp is still the least costly FG trailer out there if all one is concerned about is keeping the purchase price down.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:16 PM   #30
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Actually, Scamps have had a price increase. The 13' standard is $8695, deluxe $14095, etc. One thing I have noticed is you need to compare standard and optional equipment. My biggest complaint has always been those that have an extra charge for a spare tire and wheel and I see Scamp includes that as a standard feature as does Escape, I believe. I am not sure about all the others but I know one I looked at didn't. Seriously, "No I am the luckiest person in the world and would never need something like that." Do they assume you have other tires and wheels at home that will fit? Basically, you would need to sit down and either write down or have a copy of the brochure information and match one for one. (I am frugal and rather obsessive about getting the most for my money). I have not seen the prices on the Casita. The prices really climb when you start adding options. That solar panel deal on the Escape is a $1,050.00 option. So, take care when comparing.

Edit: Well, that's what I get for leaving the computer while making a post because I did see Brian's post. He has explained it completely! Thank you Brian. Good post.
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:31 PM   #31
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Right. I was just pointing out there are less expensive 13 footers. Not all are in the 18K price range. Seems all the ones w/o rivets are though, Escape, Trillium and Outback.

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Yup but the Escape is to many a nicer trailer and it doesn't have rivets....
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:00 PM   #32
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Not too many years ago you could buy are car without power this and alloy that. Today what was optional is now standard. When you ask why, you are told "that's what every one wants". Many, myself included, end up buying a car that has more on it than they want. You want a steering wheel you get leather seats. Honda was the first manufacturer I noticed with this "packaging" or tiered approach to marketing.

Based on Brians list it appears Scamp is still following the old ala carte model. The VW bug of fiberglass campers if you will. A car is a necessity in today's society, a trailer is not. I think maybe Scamp has the right idea considering the current economic reality. Time will tell. Raz
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:27 PM   #33
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Brian, when did you get the pricing for the Scamp options? Here is their newest pricing sheet I just got in the mail:

Scamp 13 Standard: $8695
Scamp 13 Option Pkg: $9595 and includes Silverware Drawer, Front or Rear Cabinets, 1.9 cu ft 3-way Fridge, Battery Pack, Gravel Shield, Screen Door, City water and small window over Stove Top.

Additional Options:

Shower pkg $1350 (shower, 26 Gal Grey Tank, City Water, Water Heater)

City Water $40
Sani Potti $93
3 Speed Roof Fan $175
Cable TV Hookup $45
Roof Mount A/C $779
Power Range Hood $105
Furnace 16,000 BTU with Thermostat $395
Extra Interior 12 volt lights $30
ELECTRIC BRAKES $275
8 Foot Awning $455
Front/Rear Cabinets $145
Side Cabinets $78
Exterior Outles $40
Stove Cover $45
Grey Water Tank $135

Scamp now offers vinyl flooring for $75 and comes with a 30 amp power converter. Spare tire and wheel cover is also included.

We specced one out that was a Scamp 13 Standard with the Option pkg plus these add'l options: Side cabinets, Roof A/C, Furnace, Electric Brakes, 3 speed fan, filled propane tank ($17), crank out windows (no extra charge), 26 Gal Grey Tank, Vinyl Floor, cable hookup, stove cover, outside outlet and 3 extra 12 volt lights ($90 total). They give a 10% discount on options (dont know why they dont just lower the price sheet by 10$) so the grand total is $11,409. Scamp doesnt have enough options to bring the total to within $100 of the Escape 13 that is for sale now at over $18,000 even if you ordered the wood interior and full bath. Maybe Scamp has lowered their option cost since the last time you talked with them? But $1000 for electric brakes, ouch! Glad they lowered that price. When you say "on demand" water do you mean city water? That option is now $40 for Scamp.

The Escape does have better options and better quality but if one is looking for affordability the Scamp nicely optioned is much less expensive.

I do adore your Little LadyBug!

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Old 02-23-2012, 08:59 PM   #34
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Melissa:

The quotation from Scamp was dated August 3, 2009. Our order to Escape was dated August 4, 2009. Prices are before the additional options we selected from Escape. Taxes are not included (would be added to both). No import duty. Scamp prices include options to make it equivalent to Escape.

At that time Scamp 13 ft. with options was US$9,195
Deluxe package options were (wood etc) 3,415
Total US$12,610
Total (1C$=0.92US$) C$13,707
RIV Fee (required to import US trailer) 209
Pickup Cost (estimate) 600
Total C$14,516

List price for Escape 13 C$14,500

"On demand" water means that there is an electric water pump so that when you are boon docking when you turn on the tap you get water from the fresh water tank when you demand it. This is standard on the Escape, an option on the Scamp.

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Old 02-23-2012, 09:07 PM   #35
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Ok, that makes sense now. That is way less than the $18,682 Escape is advertising a 2011 Escape 13 for now. I too would have chosen the Escape 13 given those figures. I see the Escape 15 is listed at 18,600 so I'm curios what they will build a 13 for now? IIRC there was about a $2000 price difference between the 13 and 15. Based on that guess I'd say a new 13 is probably around $16500 or so. Hmmmmm, wonder how many Escape 13's were built before they quit offering them on a regular basis?

What is the bed size in your 13?

Thanks for the clarification.

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Old 02-23-2012, 10:19 PM   #36
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Melissa:

The bed sizes are:
Front: 6'-4" by 26"
Back: 6"-4" by 48"

My wife and I each have our own bed, to maximize comfort. We convert the back bed to a table for meals. With practice this takes only a few minutes.

The price of the 13' for sale is not a standard 13' model. It has options that would make the price you see. For example, the solar panel adds about $1000 to the price. My observation is that most Escape owners select options to add to the comfort and convenience, just as we did. Over time many of the former options have become Escape standards. For example, a Maxx fan is now a standard feature although it was an option when we bought ours. Prospective buyers wanting to consider trailers from different manufacturers need to make an "apples-to-apples" comparison -- compare similarly equipped trailers just as I did.

I don't know what the current price is for an Escape 13 -- you will need to ask Escape Trailer. In order to compare with another manufacturer you will also need to find out what the standard features are!

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Old 02-23-2012, 10:52 PM   #37
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Cathy:

I should have mentioned I started looking at the Casita 13 also but discovered that the headroom was not adequate for me -- I am (or was) 6'-3". The Casita was only 5'-10". The Escape 13's headroom is 6'-2" which I can manage okay.

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Melissa:

The quotation from Scamp was dated August 3, 2009. Our order to Escape was dated August 4, 2009. Prices are before the additional options we selected from Escape. Taxes are not included (would be added to both). No import duty. Scamp prices include options to make it equivalent to Escape.

At that time Scamp 13 ft. with options was US$9,195
Deluxe package options were (wood etc) 3,415
Total US$12,610
Total (1C$=0.92US$) C$13,707
RIV Fee (required to import US trailer) 209
Pickup Cost (estimate) 600
Total C$14,516

List price for Escape 13 C$14,500

"On demand" water means that there is an electric water pump so that when you are boon docking when you turn on the tap you get water from the fresh water tank when you demand it. This is standard on the Escape, an option on the Scamp.

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Brian, for you buying an Escape was the obvious choice. The fact that it's made in B.C., you percieve it to be the better trailer, and you live in "the neighbor hood" makes it the obvious choice. But removing your personal circumstance reveals that at the factory the Escape was $2000 more costly. At that time the exchange rate was very favorable to U.S. buyers, thus making the Escape more competitive. Today the dollars are at par and as we all know gas prices are continually going up. For some one like Melissa living in Florida, or even Cathy living in Kansas the pick up costs, and the at par exchange rate make the Escape 13 even more expensive. Since the price of the Escape 15 is not much more, it makes the 13 less competitive. Raz
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Brian: Thank you for all the info. As you can see, we are thinking along similar lines when making comparisons. Funny though you say "apples to apples" and I insist that it seems I am comparing "apples to oranges" but my thought was that was the case because of the options/standards and even materials used on the inside, etc. I know that once the ball gets rolling with a purchase unless one has a solid plan on what they "need" or "want", those options start looking pretty good that you thought you would just forgo because of expense and the total grows! When you shop, you do really need a plan and to be able to stick to it.

I knew that the Casita 13' had only the 5'10" headroom and I believe that Scamp just increased theirs a few years ago but I can't remember what change they made. I am guessing some of the older units on the market may be "short".

Thank you for the info you have provided and I am sure many will benefit from it. You just can't get too much information when shopping and comparing and a consumer's opinion is priceless!
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I realize people comparison shop... and should. But it still boils down to an individual's personal preference and budget. You could have this exact same discussion about tug preferences. If all things were equal for towing ability there are those that would prefer a Cadillac Escalade over a Kia (anything).
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I realize people comparison shop... and should. But it still boils down to an individual's personal preference and budget. You could have this exact same discussion about tug preferences. If all things were equal for towing ability there are those that would prefer a Cadillac Escalade over a Kia (anything).
You can put me down for a Cadillac Escalade! I won't be able to make the payments in this lifetime though.

I like to play "What if it were free?" You know, it would still be a difficult choice when it came right down to it because cost is not everything. Just so many other variables other than cost and always the choice to wait for "used" if you can't handle the expense of the new model. I love luxury cars and they are just as wonderful when they are used and last forever compared to the lower cost "throw away" cars.

Personal preferences are deeply ingrained, probably why they call them "personal"?
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You can put me down for a Cadillac Escalade! I won't be able to make the payments in this lifetime though.

I like to play "What if it were free?" You know, it would still be a difficult choice when it came right down to it because cost is not everything. Just so many other variables other than cost and always the choice to wait for "used" if you can't handle the expense of the new model. I love luxury cars and they are just as wonderful when they are used and last forever compared to the lower cost "throw away" cars.
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Times 2! My views "egg -zactly"!!
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