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Old 09-27-2012, 10:55 AM   #15
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Maybe we should just have a separate on going thread where everyone that feels strongly about this can battle it out daily with rubber bats.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:16 AM   #16
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Steve,

I was simply relating my experience towing with a manual transmission and a relatively lightly powered vehicle, I am not one of those people blocking your way. To me there's no argument here just a relating of experience and opinion.

Like you , Steve, I avoid interstates. Most of my miles are on secondary roads. Though Ginny treats each hill like it was an ice road trucker trip, always letting me know before hand where the worse climbs are, we have not every had a problem going up.

I can not say the same for our automatic transmission motorhome where the cooling was inadequate and the brakes, for the downhill run, less than adequate. One aspect of the manual transmission I like is the ability to easily downshift. Our tow vehicle's brakes in combination with our trailer brakes have been more than adequate.

I will say that generally 3-4% grades are minor events. In Labrador 10% grades were common with a couple of wierd feeling 18% grades thrown in. In Labrador there was no traffic, in a 1000 miles we never had anyone behind us, usually they flew by, and we chugged along averaging 25-35 mph on the worse sections.

Our tow vehicle is far from the perfect tow vehicle but it has done a marvelous job for us. I honestly am looking for a better choice since our tow vehicle is 8 years old. Unfortunately North American vendors are not supplying what I want yet. Our plan is to get a new vehicle in 2014 and we hope it can be a manual transmission small diesel, better mileage and more lowend torque.

I am a careful person, and thankfully, have never had a single towing isssue with our tow vehicle or any of our 3 trailers. Wishing all readers the same.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:26 AM   #17
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Maybe we should just have a separate on going thread where everyone that feels strongly about this can battle it out daily with rubber bats.
I'll put away my rubber bat ,I might hurt myself
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:53 AM   #18
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The 05 4runner v6 was 245hp. I had a 3litre six in an early 4wd T-100; it was 150hp and couldn't get out of it's own way with an empty box. I wouldn't recommend it for towing more than a small utility trailer. I don't see that the alleged performance of ANY 4 CYL ENGINE in IN ANY VEHICLE INCLUDING a 4runner has any bearing on the original question. Determining the specs, reputation, and probable performance of a specific engine IS the question. The 3.4litre V6 in the 97 was 183hp.


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Old 09-27-2012, 12:01 PM   #19
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I'll put away my rubber bat ,I might hurt myself
Still, you must admit that your present tow vehicle is a bit of overkill for the task assigned!
BTW... Thanks for the extra firewood, it helped keep the the crowd warmer on a cold Duluth evening!
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Still, you must admit that your present tow vehicle is a bit of overkill for the task assigned!
BTW... Thanks for the extra firewood, it helped keep the the crowd warmer on a cold Duluth evening!
Glad you enjoyed the firewood , wish I could have given you more
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:45 PM   #21
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If I'm understanding you correctly, we should stick to a 13' camper, or forget pulling with the 4Runner altogether? My husband's truck is a 2005 Tacoma V6 straight drive. Should we be using that as a TV? We wanted to use the 4Runner as we could carry more inside it than the truck as it's only an extended cab. Your thoughts?
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If I'm understanding you correctly, we should stick to a 13' camper, or forget pulling with the 4Runner altogether? My husband's truck is a 2005 Tacoma V6 straight drive. Should we be using that as a TV? We wanted to use the 4Runner as we could carry more inside it than the truck as it's only an extended cab. Your thoughts?
Here is a photo of our 13D (with brakes of course) attached to our Escape 4CYL. This photo was taken at the MT St.Helens observation site,during a 5800 mile trip from Illinois to Oregon & Washinton, in which we averaged 22.8 MPG.
Your V6 Forerunner should certainly be more capable than our 4CYL Escape.
It is also likely has a tow rating which comfortably exceeds the manufacturer's tow rating.(So all the hub-bub and fear mongering is rendered moot)

Still.... vehicle prep and condition, driving habits, and loading, are factors.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:07 PM   #23
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I also agree that a lower fuel bill is advantageous but to me it does not justify towing with a vehicle that is basically designed to haul passengers only. Their is a lot more to consider in a tow vehicle than mileage such as braking ability , wheel base , torque ,suspension . steering ,FWD , height of the vehicle versus the trailer , sway , aerodynamics ETC. I often see on this website lawyers, towing standards and Government rules being bashed . I do not wish to go to court to explain to a judge or my peers why I injured or killed another party because I failed to follow the law or the vehicle manufacturers towing guidelines . Spending the rest of my life with an avoidable tragedy on my conscience is not appealing to me. Even drunk drivers have excuses for their behavior
What those who like to stick a finger up at the towing specs set by their vechile manufactures seem to forget is that although they may not be found criminally responsible in the event of an accident its a good bet that if they injure or kill someone they can find themselves facing a personal liability case, even if they are found not guility of criminal charges or were never criminal charged. In personal liabilty cases the judge is not required to follow to the letter of the law and as such have a lot more leeway in regards to determining liability.

There are a lot of vechiles being made today that are rated to tow a 16' fiberglass trailer or smaller and they get pretty darn good gas milage while doing it. The 2 or 3 mpg saved in gas while towing something a vechile isnt rated to tow isnt going to even cover the lawyers fees & it sure will not save you from loosing your home in order to pay off a judgement against you and it sure as heck will not make you sleep any better at night if your found guilty. One should not cant count on their insurance company to pay up either – best to read the real fine print on an insurance policy. Not to mention that no amount of money paid out is going to put things right for the people harmed.

As others have suggested when this topic has come up in the past & what those who have had real life experence in this regard know all to well is that there is only one things for sure. When its all said and done the party found responsible will be back begging for forgiveness.
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Jan, I have no experience with the 3.4litre from 97. As you've got a backup in the much newer taco w/ the larger displacement 4litre, I'd certainly take a chance on the 16' trailer. If you're happy with the performance of the old 4runner, load up people, dogs, and stuff in the back until you're not.
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What those who like to stick a finger up at the towing specs set by their vechile manufactures seem to forget is that although they may not be found criminally responsible in the event of an accident its a good bet that if they injure or kill someone they can find themselves facing a personal liability case, even if they are found not guility of criminal charges or where never criminal charged. In personal liabilty cases the judge is not required to follow to the letter of the law and as such have a lot more leeway in regards to determining liability.

There are a lot of vechiles being made today that are rated to tow a 16' fiberglass trailer or smaller and they get pretty darn good gas milage while doing it. The 2 or 3 mpg saved in gas while towing something a vechile isnt rated to tow isnt going to even cover the lawyers fees & it sure will not save you from loosing your home in order to pay off a judgement against you and it sure as heck will not make you sleep any better at night if your found guilty. One should not cant count on their insurance company to pay up either – best to read the real fine print on an insurance policy. Not to mention that no amount of money paid out is going to put things right for the people harmed.

As others have suggested when this topic has come up in the past & what those who have had real life experence in this regard know all to well is that there is only one things for sure. When its all said and done the party found responsible will be back begging for forgiveness.
You don't specify.... Would you be refering to a defiant middle finger, or do you reject even the use of a sensible cautionary index finger?
If the latter is the case, then any commentary on the subject should be eschewed on all sides. [Afterall, everybody has an owner's manual]
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Jan, you might want to change the heading on your question to reflect towing with a 4Runner in order to get responses from people who have actually towed with one to find out how well it does under all towing conditions - not just up hills. Yes some of us do tow 16' trailers with 4 cyl. vechiles that are rated for that weight capacity and have no problems passing on steep hills more vechiles than just semi's but the reality is all vechiles are not built the same. Lots of things impact how well a vechile tows or does not tow not just the engine size. In some situations it is possible for a 4 cyl to be a better tow vechile than a V6 - so its always best to get the word on how one particular vechile actually tows from those who have actually towed with it. Other wise its kind of like trying to compare an apple to an orange.
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You don't specify.... [Afterall, everybody has an owner's manual]
Yup they do but how many actually read them? Its seems for many that reading the cars owner manual falls into the same catagory as reading the one that cames with the PVR - how many dont bother to read it until something no longer works & you miss recording our fav TV show?
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Old 09-27-2012, 02:05 PM   #28
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Our 4Runner is a 1997 straight drive.
I have no idea what "Straight Drive" Means?

Still I presume this one has the 3.4L motor?
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