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Old 09-23-2015, 05:01 PM   #15
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For what its worth - back in July while taking a tour of the factory, I was told that one of the reasons for the price increase was that the cost of product liability insurance for EACH unit produced was $5,000.
I'm only guessing - and please remember I'm operating on the basis of pure ignorance here- that product liability was never a consideration with ParkLiner. Perhaps that is what led to their demise. If they were not insured, the costs for retrofitting battery boxes (at least for those who were able to have it done), modifying wheel wells and correcting other assorted problems could have eaten up all the profits. On the other hand, I've been wrong before- could easily be happening again
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Old 09-23-2015, 05:21 PM   #16
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The factory liability cost per trailer that is passed onto the end user comes down to the number of units made. Scamp makes far more trailers in a year than Oliver does thus the per unit cost of factory liability insurance is going to be less.

That's why I jokingly mentioned that perhaps Oliver was making only 2 - 3 trailers per year. Still insurance premiums must be proportional to the number of units rolling down the road. So any one trailer of any brand must have a similar risk of claim and need a similar amount of insurance. The product liability number crunchers need a certain fee to come out and calculate the risk, then they must add an increment for each trailer sold. After the initial year the increment makes up all the premium.

OTOH - Perhaps Oliver experienced some million dollar claims and that put their rates far higher. Or perhaps the $5000 number includes health insurance for all their employees and unemployment insurance, fire insurance, etc. $5000 for liability just seems too high, way higher than my brother-in-law's Corvette Stingray premium. I doubt GM pays more liability insurance than the driver.


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Old 09-23-2015, 07:00 PM   #17
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I purchased my Ollie back in '08 and I'm quite sure they spent quite a bit more on it than I paid as part of their learning curve, production process improvements, as well as my asking for items they had never contemplated before such as solar panel and cell phone booster, etc.

Then, shortly thereafter the economy took a dive and their production took a hiatus for a few years until things started to turn around two years ago, (without laying off workers, I might add. They put them to work on different fiberglass products during the slow years)

One of the reasons I went with this company was that I had the fortunate chance to meet one of the patriarchs of the Oliver family, Jim, who showed me a trailer and shared with me their concept of caring for employees. They were by far one of the best employers in this rural area of Tennessee, and offered a complete benefits package for their employees to include a cost sharing savings plan which the company even made contributions for the few workers who did not feel they had the means to put in their own monies.

I realized I paid top dollar for the trailer and feel blessed to have been able to do so at the time. So yeah, top notch family with a top notch vision for a trailer to last a lifetime, and a heart to consider its employees as a part of the family. I have over 98,000 miles on my Ollie and it still looks like it rolled out of the factory last month.

Over my travels, I've camped with many hundreds of fellow fiberglass owners and we all cherish our rolling palaces and enjoy the great outdoors with a smile on our face and a joy in our heart. From the 35 year old Bolers and Trilliums, to the dependable and stalwart Casitas, or the wonderful new Escape fifth wheel. Price be da#*ed. That's not the important part. Get out there and have fun!

Isn't that what it all about?
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Over my travels, I've camped with many hundreds of fellow fiberglass owners and we all cherish our rolling palaces and enjoy the great outdoors with a smile on our face and a joy in our heart. From the 35 year old Bolers and Trilliums, to the dependable and stalwart Casitas, or the wonderful new Escape fifth wheel. Price be da#*ed. That's not the important part. Get out there and have fun!

Isn't that what it all about?
EXACTLY Pete! I hope no one who owns an all-molded-towable is a snob.. they are ALL good!
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Old 09-23-2015, 09:09 PM   #20
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Hello from the Plant,
All great observations, statements and comments. I want to make a hopefully brief reply as I sit on the couch at home watching Survivor Island (Yes, it is TIVOED or whatever)

Topguns $5,000 statement is a bit higher than the actual cost back then. We may have miss informed him at the time or whatever no worries, I just want to clarify. The $3,500 was the actual cost at one point in the 2014 restart which, yes, it was high as well. With the increase in sales and other factors this has been reduced considerably and is now in line with similar cost of product liability insurance for auto manufacturers and other similar products.

The above mentioned other factors are cost we incur per unit that we feel adds value, safety and confidence in our product:
RVIA Certification: Look it up. We have 6 unannounced visits a year to insure we are conforming to their standards to be listed by them. They demand ANSI codes be met just like a county or city government requires when building a new home. Electrical components are all UL or equivalent listed. Wire gages meet ANSI specs based on amp load per line etc. Plumbing is all UPC or equivalent certified. Lots of hoops and testing to be RVIA Certified and we pay for all the cost of those six annual visits.
NATM Certification- They visit twice a year and insure we are in compliance with DOT guidelines concerning DOT approved lighting, proper tire data info for load capacities to mention a couple of areas.
While we would be more than willing to compare our original frame construction against ANY other trailer manufacturer on the market, for the 2016 model we are introducing a newly designed A- Frame construction with a custom, extruded for us only structural piece of aluminum. More details to come. It is intended to with stand a much more rugged use over 20 years of boon docking while traveling the back roads with the 18 inch ground to frame clearance. This has been designed and 3rd party tested to wrap up every aspect of our build process to back up the “Legacy” aspect of the trailer.

Legacy (leg-uh-see), noun -
in families, an object that is handed down from generation to generation

I have read that the industry norm for stick built and motor homes from a manufacturer’s standpoint is designed for a 5 year existence. Do not know if this is true or not, maybe someone can research this for accuracy.
I am not including other fiberglass trailers in the above generalization as we all know that be a Casita, Scamp, Escape, ParkLiner or one of the other fiberglass cousins we are all in another class of quality over the others.

Sorry but I did intend to be brief originally.
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.... we are all in another class of quality over the others.....
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Mr. Oliver's old slogan and they mean it Trailers built to last a lifetime.

"It is intended to with stand a much more rugged use over 20 years of boon docking..."

Thanks for touching base with us Robert.
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No Wood in the shells, No rot or need to refurb. Aluminum frame, no rust to refurb.
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Robert, thanks for the update info. I retired from a fairly large water district and totally understand the hoops you have to jump through. I doubt that many of our customers would have any clue of the mounds of regs and red tape that governs how companies have to deal with doing business.
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Robert and his fellow workers are just one more reason I bought an Oliver. Each and every worker I met while on the factory tour had what seemed to me as a genuine smile and a handshake - except for the guy that had a handful of resin. Just can't wait to have my egg start incubation.
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You gotta congratulate Oliver for seeking the RVIA certification. Nice to see a company put quality first.
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Robert and his fellow workers are just one more reason I bought an Oliver. Each and every worker I met while on the factory tour had what seemed to me as a genuine smile and a handshake - except for the guy that had a handful of resin. Just can't wait to have my egg start incubation.

It is reasons like this to buy from manufacturers like Oliver. Ones with owners that truly care. Most of us that have dealt with Escape feel the same.

It is one thing to buy a good product, but a much better thing to buy a good product from a good company.
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