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Old 09-13-2015, 08:53 PM   #15
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Heres a couple of pics of the 1988 Bigfoot I looked at earlier this week, $6500 in Wenatchee, WA. Most can't tell the differentce.
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Old 09-14-2015, 01:07 AM   #16
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I talked the situation and the options over with Leonard & Penny and they agreed that a 17' BigFoot would meet all of your criteria from size to features to price range. BTW: You are invited to attend their wedding on Sept 21st.
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Old 09-14-2015, 05:28 AM   #17
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$25,000 Question? Is this a quiz?

Dean,

My wife and I are answering this question for ourselves. In the last few months we have bought a use 13' Std. Scamp and a used 19' Scamp Deluxe to renovate. So far, we have $11,000 invested. In the spring, if not sooner, one of the Scamps will be for sale. I guess we are continuing our education in pre and post retirement life.

I'm 65 and my wife wile retire in 2 years. We are moving up from teardrop camping.Your household should discuss what type of camping you see in your future. We are anticipating 40% primitive and the rest being with available electricity.

We live in central Illinois. You are welcome to come up and experience two of the FV campers that may have possibilities for your purposes.

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Old 09-14-2015, 09:03 AM   #18
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$25,000 Question!!!

Dean, following up on Tim's post about starting with the bed...

Good advice, and know that there are no standard bed sizes when it comes to RVs, either in length or width. Length is typically adequate unless you are unusually tall. Width for two people sleeping together is where it can get dicey. In the end, it's a very personal call- some couples like to snuggle; others like their space.

In the 17' Bigfoot both of the beds are fairly narrow, 44" and 48" IIRC, and I don't remember which is which. The main bed in a 16' Scamp standard is 45" (deluxe version is 54"). A 17' Casita has a 54" bed. Another option worth looking at is Lil Snoozy, a newer design made in SC in the same size/weight class. It has a true queen: 60"x80". Drawback is that it is all-electric.

There is a whole thread on "Bed Sizes." A search should turn it up.

More food for thought and discussion between you and your wife. And remember... whatever she says is right.
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:46 PM   #19
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Well said, Jon! 😉
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Old 09-14-2015, 01:00 PM   #20
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"Yes, dear"... now that's the $25,000 answer!
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Old 09-14-2015, 09:12 PM   #21
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Another option worth looking at is Lil Snoozy, a newer design made in SC in the same size/weight class. It has a true queen: 60"x80". Drawback is that it is all-electric.

Dean,

Like Jon, I have been a little intrigued by the "Lil' Snoozy".
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I personally would not be fond of dealing with my own stinky-slinky hose and "blackwater"; much less waiting in a long line (10 Class A motor homes ahead of us as we pulled out of Oshkosh last year) to use a dump station where previous rig owners might have carelessly handled their own blackwater dumping. (Watch the dump station segment of the Robin Williams movie "RV").

The Lil' Snoozy offers a Thedford Cassette toilette option. I don't know how it works out in actual camping, but it does seem like an interesting way to have built-in facilities and avoid stinky-slinky hoses and dump stations. (Watch the video on the Lil' Snoozy website.)

Our "tow weight constraint" pretty much ruled out a 16 foot trailer that might have had sufficient room for a bathroom and still had sleeping room for 4 or 5. Since our past experience was with pop-up trailers and tent camping, we've never had an actual bathroom (although it was on our "want list") and I guess we haven't seemed to suffer too much because we didn't try to put one into a 13 foot trailer. That said, there are many people (that I really respect) who wouldn't be without a dedicated room in their trailers for bathroom facilities. Choices and trade-offs .....

Like bed sizes and tow vehicles, bathroom facilities are another one
of those "hot button" issues where there are lots of opinions from
some fairly smart people.

Scamp 13 Pros and cons of bathroom

BTW - At LBL, Dennis will again be doing a talk about OBF (onboard facilities) where I think they will be discussing the differences and usages of porta-potties versus built-in bathroom facilities.
I didn't think that I would probably learn anything at that talk last year, but I was mistaken!

I too wish the Lil' Snoozy had propane refrigerator and stove facilities. Maybe they would build one like that on request? I hope to actually see a Lil' Snoozy at a rally or campground sometime soon.

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Old 09-14-2015, 11:37 PM   #22
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Hi Bob M, Ellpea, Bob H, Jon, Ray, and All,

Bob M, OK, my DW continues to find ample opportunities to get a laugh, at my expense, over my reading posts from this forum to her. I am obviously way too dense. It took my DW to explain Leonard and Penny's wedding invitation to me!!! LOL! Ellpea, it took your post for me to figure there was humor in Bob's post. Other than movies, I watch very little TV. I am pleased that Leonard and Penny approve of the Big Foot 17.5. Unfortunately, I can't make their wedding next Monday night. I will be foregoing their wedding and Monday Night Football in order to watch Dancing with the Stars with my lovely DW. After 32 years of marriage, I have my priorities straight.

Bob H, wish you the best with your renovations of your two Scamps. My DW's extended family lives in Indy, IN. Perhaps my DW and I could bop over some time for a peek at the Scamps!

Jon, I definitely agree that bed size (more so width is an important issue to consider). Some of the twin bed models are interesting, but we really want one bed for us. I think 54" to 60" in width would be best, but for our first rig, we might consider something narrower. I am currently in our king-sized bed. My DW is sleeping as I type and our Maltese, Gibbs, is taking up about 1/3 of the bed somehow! He will travel with us some, so that will factor into our plan. I can't believe I just typed that last sentence. Our Jack Russell, Ellie, will stay home with my mom. She has a little too much energy for long road trips (Ellie, not my mom! . In any case, bed size is an important issue.

Ray, I too, really like the look and floor plan of the Lil' Snoozy. Nice bed. Nice love seat sofa! Cool design shape. However, I really think I want to be able to use propane. I am not opposed to considering the Thedford toilet. In fact, it might even have some pluses over the standard set up. During my first several months of RV research, we thought we would want a dry bath; however, I am so enamored with egg campers, my DW and I are more than willing to consider a wet bath. The older I get, the more I get up through the night to use the facilities. Laura has never really camped much. She likes to hike, but has not camped that much. So, a wet bath is a requirement. I hope we can get over to the LBL Rally as early as possible on Saturday. We will get to see our 1st egg campers!!!

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Old 09-15-2015, 12:26 AM   #23
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Hi Bob,

LOL. My DW and I were on the Big Foot website earlier today looking at 17 foot floorplans. Yup, I think this would meet our critical criteria. Plus, I love their 4-season capabilities.

The newer ones are definitely pricey, but they seem like quality units.

Thanks!

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It will also be the heaviest of the 17' range fiberglass trailers. Something to consider when looking for a tow vehicle - in particular its tongue weight carrying capacity as they are heavy on the tongue as well - anywhere from 350 to 450lbs on the tongue.
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Hi Carol,

Good point. Given that my current cars are too puny to tow, particularly 16' to 17' TTs, I will probably buy the TT first, then get a tug with a margin of comfort to tow the camper. If we ended up with a Big Foot, we would shop accordingly for a tug. Currently, most FG manufacturers are on the table. The advantage of window shopping and kicking tires and learning from folks like you!!!

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Dean,

Tow vehicles are another one of those "hot button" issues where lots of
good folks have fairly different opinions, brand loyalties, etc.

High on anyone's list should probably be reliability. A powerful tug that
breaks down on the road or is always in the shop isn't much good to
anybody.

Your earlier idea of a Ford F150 2.7L Eco-boost Crewcab doesn't seem
all that bad.

My old "work car" was a Honda Fit and it was a great little commuter.
Once I retired, we traded the FIT for a 2014 Ford Escape 2.0L Ecoboost FWD. Highway mileage with the Escape is usually 32-34 mpg and towing our Scamp13 at 60 mph is usually around 23 mpg (sometimes lower; sometimes as much as 25 mpg).

Most folks believe that it is torque that moves an RV. Diesel engines and
turbocharged engines shine in the high-torque@low-rpm department.
(There is a reason that most 18-wheelers are diesels .... )

To understand the difference between horsepower and torque for various
tow vehicles, you might find parts of this thread to be an interesting read?
Towing a 16' Scamp with small diesel

Good luck with your tug search as well as your RV search ....

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Hi Carol,

Good point. Given that my current cars are too puny to tow, particularly 16' to 17' TTs, I will probably buy the TT first, then get a tug with a margin of comfort to tow the camper. If we ended up with a Big Foot, we would shop accordingly for a tug. Currently, most FG manufacturers are on the table. The advantage of window shopping and kicking tires and learning from folks like you!!!

Thx,

Dean
I personally would decide first what trailer I really wanted and would be happy with and then pick the vehicle to pull it accordingly.

I have pulled a 16' that weighed a total of 2550lbs loaded (including the 240lbs tongue) with a vehicle with a 2800lb tow cap and it did ok but suffered after a few years of towing from the wear and tear of towing more than I would have liked. So I did in the end pay for the decision to not change to a different vehicle with a higher tow capacity. That set up did well towing for the most part but it did struggle in the mountains/hills due to lack of power.

Currently tow the same trailer with a mid sized truck 2011 with a 6500lb towing spec and a V6 that pulls the trailer well, not a struggle for it. But its a bit hard on gas. Have family with newer V8's trucks that get the same and better gas milage while towing the same weight as I do.

I am looking to move up in trailer size and have been looked at the Bigfoots (as well as a couple of other brands of trailers) as well but fear the extra weight might put me right back to the same position I was in with the smaller tow vehicle. I will be once again short on power in the mountains and I will take an even bigger hit on the gas milage. Meaning I am going to be reminded far more freqently of the extra weight I am pulling behind me than what I am now. I am planning to do a lot more traveling shortly so I suspect I will notice the MPG's a lot & eventually pay more for the decision to keep current vehicle as well!

So I am having to make decisions as well - do I just bit the bullet and move up in vehicles as well as trailer size or do I try it and see how it goes...... my gut says based on previous experience that if I go to a bigger/heavier trailer I should just move up in vehicle power & tow cap as well....
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I am looking to move up in trailer size and have been looked at the Bigfoots (as well as a couple of other brands of trailers)
How heavy are you willing to go with a larger trailer?
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If you are looking at an 80's Bigfoot 17, you should also look at the 80's Bigfoot 19. Same basic layout, just nicer, in my opinion.
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