A tale of two jerks and two generators

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Definitely time for a pint of CherryGarcia... :yep


:jumper

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Hey the dual batterys idea works great . i can use the the big 7 plug
that ws installed on my silverado to charge one battery while i run errans . dont know it i would try it on the small 7 pin plugs (plug is only rated at 15 amps) big plug is 30 amp. so far no blow fuses but charged battery
Greetings from heavens waiting room! :cheers

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Jerks are a dime a dozen.
EG--Speed limit where I live in Mobile home park is 10km/hr.
Five min ago some JERK drove in about 100kms/hr.We have in area kids and road dust.These Jerks need to be tared and feathered.

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(boy, along with my privacy issues I'm really going to get a reputation when I start with a title like this!)

I totally agree with Robert Brummet--we must not equate Generator Users with idiots or rudeness. Moreover I really respect how he went up to his neighbor and explained about the two hours. Unfortunately not everyone is Robert. That's why we have laws, easy to break, but at least we're all on the same field! Here's my two cents:

1. Have very straightforward rules on generator use. Two hours per
day, say from 9-10 a.m. and 6:00-7:00 p.m. If you can't make those times wait until the next day.

2. I own an EU 1000 and it makes about same noise as a 2000 and I
wouldn't want to be camped too close to it if it was running more than
an hour at a time (in the example Robert gives, distance makes this a
non-issue)

3. No amplified radio or music at any time. God made Sony Walkmans (am I old or what?) for a reason. Guitars & harmonicas & all live music encouraged except during quiet hours.

4. Make it clear to campers that the term Quiet Hours does not imply
that the rest of the day is Noisy Hours. What seems to be the norm these days is somebody with their boom box maxed and when you politely ask them to turn it down you get "Hey man it's not quiet hours!" What quiet hours really means is that if you're taking your tent down at 6:00 a.m. you whisper and don't bang your poles, at 10:00 a.m. who cares.

Call me crazy but camping is not about stereos and generators. People
having fun noise and nature noise please. (Unless you're camped at
Deception Pass State Park on Whidbey Island--then extremely low flying Top Gun types practicing aircraft carrier landing is also okay--like what are you going to do about that?)

Cheers, Ron

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I have come to the conclusion that generaters must be a macho thing . I see it all through these diferant threads . One of the first things people think of is a generater. many years ago when we started camping I to got a generater. Which i have never taken along after being next to someone running a generater on a hot night while we were trying to sleep.:zz

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I try to be as understanding as possible, but on my first trip this year, in early June I had neighbors from hades. They stayed up till 4:30 am, but were smart enough to watch for the rangers light and tone it down, as he came walking by on his rounds. when he was clear, they started the whooping and hollerin again.
In the morning I went to have a talk with the ranger, we had had no success talking to our neighbors the night before.
We left to go grab some last minute groceries, when we came back; no neighbors and all was at peace. Never give up your right to enjoyment if it is reasonable, after all you paid for it too.

below is a cut from the Ontario park rules.

Protecting You and Your Park
Please follow this based rule when visiting Ontario Parks: Have respect and consideration for your fellow visitors and the park environment.

Loud Noise-Disturbing Other Persons
Be considerate. Please keep the volume of your music and your voices, to a reasonable level. Interfering with anyone else's enjoyment of a park, day or night, is not only inconsiderate - it is also contrary to park regulations.



The penalty for violation of the laws may be eviction from the Park or a fine imposed by the Court or both.

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I never ceases to amaze me of the dialogue that comes up at the mere mention of generators. Most people are decent folk who know how to camp as their limits allow, but some feel it is their god given right to do as they please. Always have - always will! We paid 4 times what we should have for a generator that would not bother neighbors. We even scope out our own site to make sure the music cannot be heard by anyone but us. The farther away they are the louder we can be (If and when we chose). The closer we are the quieter we must be.

FYI: When we do have neighbors (under 200 feet) the genset is hibernating.


Anything else is uncivilized. :)

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Orginally posted by Rick

Anything else is uncivilized. :)

You nailed it, Rick. :thumb

Many people today don't have the first clue about civility. Civility is what makes living in society bearable.

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After all this I believe that someone out there may be willing to give up that generator. I don't know who or if it's anyone on this board, but if you hear of someone please have them send their generator to me so's I can have power at home, when our four block area goes out.
Seems that our fours blocks are separate from the Village for some reason and no-one knows how to switch the power back on when it goes out.

All generator donations welcome.

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This thread has made me so guilty about my Honda EU2000 that I have decided to go straight and clean up my life! Please send your postal address immediately so I can send it to you.

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Robert>>touch of PC GenPolice running through this thread

Robert, man, I went to great lengths to "exempt" my rich friends who own those super-quiet Honda generators ... sorry you took offense ... I meant none to any generator owner who is respective of his fellow campers.

I can even live with the muffled noise of a built-in gen set running in a Class A motorhome.

However, I've been camping a long, long time ... and there has been a real explosion of folks using these cheap industrial strength (and size) generators, available at any home improvement centers. These huge, often unmufflered, or minimally muffled, (and not approved for National Forest use) gen sets are meant for contractors worksites ... or emergency whole house power situations.

These gen sets are not meant to be used in quiet, peaceful, National Forest type settings ... however, more and more people are purchasing them and dragging them to primitive campgrounds.

This type of loud, window rattling generators can be heard throughout the campground .... but even then, I can live with someone who fires up one of these for a couple of daylight hours (say 11 am to 1 pm) to recharge their batteries while dry camping.

It's the camper who fires it up at the crack of dawn .... and continues to run it until well after dark ... with little or no concern about the noise pollution they are causing ... in a tranquil setting.

I am not the genset PC police. This is becoming a real problem in our National Forests ... as are inconsiderate 4-wheelers and dirt bikers who roar up and down campground roads and off-road out the back of campsites, tearing up flora and fauna that will take years to recover (if it ever does).

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Not a problem. (But I still think I did detect that PCGP thing running a bit through the whole thread, not ncessarily anything you said specifically.)

That said, I also agree completely with you. The gensets you are talking about have no place in the woods. I wish the authorities would just enforce the rules without fear or favor and kick the lunkheads out. That's one reason I try to get as far away from others as I can, whether I intend to run the Honda or not. I don't like turmoil and confrontations and the presence of assorted a**h**** can create bad digestive patterns for me. I guess I'm just a cranky old fart. One thing for sure, the more I learn about people the more I like dogs.

Yeah, and that "rich friend" bit. Ha! I USED to be rich. Before I bought the EU2000!

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>>rich friends

A long standing joke between several of us ... just me trying to get their goat.

I've always wanted a goat.

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Here's your goat. Delivered to your door!

<img src=http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/uploads/3f195ce39c41cGoatPickup.jpg/>

No, please! Don't thank me.

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Great picture, Robert. What a view to enjoy, even with a goat. nice.:)

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Several years ago when I had the Alumabox parked for a few seasons at a campground, I encountered the neighbors from hades as well. There were two levels of campsites. Premium (water, electric) and basic (rain and candles). I had a premium site next to a small basic site. One season this EXTENDED (read... 15-20 people)family of losers parked their 19sixty whatever trashed out Holiday Rambler there and proceeded to hook up to my water and electric. Oh, contrare... The owner of the campground as well as I said NOT... Next weekend came the generator (and I'm not kidding here) on a trailer. It was like one of those you see on the highway to power lights at night for roadwork. Included with the arrival of said generator, 10 adults, 12 kids and most of the Milwaukee annual output of beer came the home stereo system placed outside under their tarp. Not even to Memorial Day and already I know my summer was shot. Weeks of complaints back and forth (they had a real problem with me having a pit bull (see avatar) even though she was far from agressive and never off a lead or leash. I had a problem with listening to drunken Kareokee to Willie Nelson at 4am, and the constant drone of the New York City Power Station. The kicker (or kick out as it turned out) was 4th of July weekend when they decided it was a neat idea to have not only a nice little fire to celebrate the holiday with, but a full fledged three alarm, bring out the ladder trucks because the 150 foot tall pine trees ignited, along with searing the paint off the back of my trailer fire. Apparently they didn't understand the combustability of 3 gallons of gas, a dozen or so wooden pallets and a match. I guess 3 gallons per person of Milwaukees Best Light will do that.

When I renewed my site for the next year I rented that spot also to park the boat... best 500 bucks I ever spent.

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Morgan is right, Rick, it is, like you said, all about civility. Your post also makes me realize how stupid my choice of words "camping is not about stereos and generators" really was. Stupid and sanctimonious! I use stereos and generators when camping! What I meant was "Camping is not about exposing others to noise from our stereos and generators!" I'm humbled and wiser.

Speaking of civility and humility: in 1983 I was cycle touring & camping on Cape Breton Island, N.S. We went to bed around 11 as we had to get up at 5:30 a.m. Folks pulled in right beside us and erected a Woods 9' X 12' high-walled canvas tent (rare to see even in '83). Once inside they turned their television on (yes TV!) and started watching the late late show.Their tent was maybe 15' from ours. I was incredulous. It was after midnight now and instantly taking the high moral ground I shouted out of our tent "Turn that off!" There was a pregnant pause and then a man's voice softly said "Say Please!" My anger melted; I was actually smiling and I said "Please." There was a click and then silence. Civility and Humility.

Thanks for the lesson, Rick!

Ron