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Old 06-24-2013, 11:21 AM   #15
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Home owners at Deep Bay, a sand spit, have placed rip rap to stop erosion by the ocean. What they accomplished is accelerated erosion of neighboring properties. Water also has a way of sneaking up from behind.
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:32 AM   #16
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The costs for bringing in the amount of rock we would need are very high. We could likely spend $50k, or more getting it done. You do need permission to do this, but there is little doubt it would be granted to us.
Not to mention the Federal Government brought in new tougher laws recently in regards to remedial work down on river and ocean properties in order to protect the fish .... making the pre environmental assessments and authorization required and the cost of the work very costly..... don't ask how I know this!!

Sorry to hear of your property loss Jim but glad to hear your family is all safe and sound.

The photos coming in from Alberta are something else, my heart goes out to those who have lost everything and it looks like thousands of families have. Very sad to see.
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Between 2005, this year, and a bit of flooding last year, I imagine we have lost nearly 10 acres of forested land. Around the bend though, there is a build up of silt and gravel, that in 50 years or so might be usable.
I don't want to minimize the genuine loss of Jim and other landowners but...
Isn't that how nature has always worked?
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:21 PM   #18
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I don't want to minimize the genuine loss of Jim and other landowners but...
Isn't that how nature has always worked?
Yes, government has got to start looking at the big picture, and to me that means restricting certain types of development within the flood plains of our river systems. Ideally, if construction of private dwellings and businesses were restricted to outside of the flood plain, there should be minimal risk of damage to those structures during these flood events (which yes, are expected on a periodic basis). We can allways use more parkland, playing fields, hiking paths, campgrounds and other infrastructure that could be built on lands adjacent to our rivers.
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I serve on a local community based board that gets the unfortunate task of hearing appeals from residents who have had their building schemes turned down by the local government. In recent years there has been a big change in local codes regarding how close buildings can be located to streams/rivers/ocean and steep banks etc, not only for environmental reasons but due to the dangers of mother nature deciding to let loose with rain one night or the ocean whips up big waves and the home owners finding themselves trapped in a home that has collapsed down a bank into the water or is covered in mud from an uphill slide. Some of the changes to requirements are the result of new Federal environmental laws but most of them have been developed by local government who knows the area much better than the Feds & what happens in this area during wet stormy weather & due to having computer programs that can map out for them what will happen in the event of a water rising just an inch or two - they simply want to prevent further property or human losses.

Never easy to hear that someone has put their life savings into purchasing a property and gone into the local government with their dream home plans in hand only to be told they cant build it as they want and that it needs to be moved much further back from the property line or water line which resulting in a much smaller home or in one situation it was questionable if anything at all of a livable sized home could be safely built on the property due to the restrictions placed on it. Not an easy situation for anyone - & sure as heck not even the folks who have to be the barrier of the bad news to the property owners. Is it better to suggest the homeowner cut their losses now & be a bit more diligent in doing their homework prior to purchasing property in the future or is it better to let the property owner spend a few hundred thousand more on their project and risk losing it all in the future - next winter or 10 to 25 years from now or maybe never if they are lucky? Would be nice if our Big Government was to be the party to bring in stronger legislation on the topic and then we could just blame it on them! Always makes a situation easier if you can just blame Big Brother for it. ;-)

Unfortunately the situation in Alberta and much of Manitoba is such that most of the big cities have been built on a floodplain. Not sure what can be done at this point.

As I said it is heartbreaking to see the devastation and personal losses for everyone involved in this weeks events including members here :-( but I am struggling with whether there really is an easy fix to preventing it from happening again in the future. If there is you can be sure its not going to be a popular one!
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Unfortunately the situation in Alberta and much of Manitoba is such that most of the big cities have been built on a floodplain. Not sure what can be done at this point.
Toronto did it after Hurricane Hazel. The created the Toronto Region Conservation Authority. About : TRCA
Wikipedia gives better explanations Toronto and Region Conservation Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This one has better pictures of my neighbourhood
Effects of Hurricane Hazel in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homes that were destroyed were not allowed to be rebuilt, waterflow control measures were put into place and parkland was created. Prime reason for Toronto calling itself the "City Within A Park".

Carol, I feel for you dealing on those boards. Sometimes the politicians and planners make decisions on generalities and are not site specific. After Hurricane Hazel they rebuilt the Lawrence Ave Bridge, about 10 houses from me and raised a portion of the street so it was not so steep. The street is now higher than my front door. My hardscaping now prevents the water from coming in the front door when the overloaded antiquated sewer system can't handle the load.

The planners allowed a solid wall 2 stories high be built on the uphill side of my property line for a parking garage. Then they allowed an 8 storey apartment on my rear property line. Years later they modified the River Bylaw setting limits for landscaping X meters from the center of the Humber River. Lo and behold the map puts almost my entire back yard in the restricted zone for grading. Then they enacted the downspout disconnection by-law where all the downspouts are to be removed from the sewer system.

That's when I called the inspector over for a site visit. They were adamant that I had to believe the map lines until they got here. I explained my landscaping and grading plans to resolve all the problems they created. I was given unofficial permission to fix things as long as I didn't tell anybody. Then I was chastised for planting a Black Austrian Pine rather than a native species. I apologized letting them win.

They can fix the problems to prevent extreme damage in the future, but it has to be a co-operative effort to work.
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Despite the heavily damaged Stampede grounds, the swimming pool of an arena, and endless hours of cleaning and rebuilding, the Calgary Stampede with be starting next Friday, come....
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Despite the heavily damaged Stampede grounds, the swimming pool of an arena, and endless hours of cleaning and rebuilding, the Calgary Stampede with be starting next Friday, come....
That is amazing if they can pull it off. Maybe they will switch the rodeo for aquatic events?
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That is amazing if they can pull it off. Maybe they will switch the rodeo for aquatic events?
Could be.

It will be an amazing feat. Ken King says that they expect the Saddledome to be hosting bands as scheduled. Considering the water went up to the 10th row seats, that would be incredible if they ready it.

The whole grounds were under water, and a lot of the barns and buildings behind the grandstand, along the Elbow River, were deep in water.

I drove through one of the worst hit areas yesterday, where basements were completely flooded, and even main floors affected. It was a madhouse of activity, as homeowners and volunteers worked feverously to haul out all the garbage created. Appliances, clothes, flooring, building materials, etc. Pumper trucks, bins and piles of trash everywhere. Yet, amongst it there were people working cheerfully, with smiles on their faces.



The whole thing makes one proud to be Calgarian (and Albertan and Canadian too).
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The whole thing makes one proud to be Calgarian (and Albertan and Canadian too).
Exactly how I feel. What some present as a disaster, I see as a triumph of spirit.
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Giddy Up! Sure hope it happens.
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Exactly how I feel. What some present as a disaster, I see as a triumph of spirit.
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Giddy Up! Sure hope it happens.
I definitely will.
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Maybe they will switch the rodeo for aquatic events?
Naw... the water is gone, but there's the evidence left behind, so how about mud wrestling? In the dark, of course, given what happens to electrical gear underwater.

The Stampede people certainly seem determined.!
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It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I left work today, and the smell was overwhelming! I work down river of the Bonybrook waste treatment plant, which was completely flooded, (flushed?). Now that the water is receding, the residue has a distinctive smell, look, texture, of ummm....well, you know. The folks involved in the cleanup deserve a medal.
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