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Old 11-06-2012, 07:17 PM   #29
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I am excited for Robert. He has been a generous supporter of those, on this forum, needing help. I hope that this is the start of a great thing for another American entrepreneur, and couldn't be happier at the prospect.

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Old 12-31-2012, 02:04 PM   #30
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This use of the Boler name demonstrates that, as with Trillium, a name can be re-used with no actual ownership rights to the name, by operating in another country and/or appropriating a trademark with an expired registration.

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... despite the disclaimer in the small print, I dislike the re-use of the Boler name.
I agree. Since the business does not own the original name, is not a continuation of the original business, and is not replicating the original design, I think taking the Boler name is highly inappropriate.
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:28 PM   #31
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This use of the Boler name demonstrates that, as with Trillium, a name can be re-used with no actual ownership rights to the name, by operating in another country and/or appropriating a trademark with an expired registration.


"As with Trillium"????

I think that was settled among all the players/claimants. Trillium U.S.A. even had a (shortlived) deal with Escape to manufacture the brand in Canada, for sale under the American label ( link to 2008 discussion)


The partnership fell apart because, at least according to Escape, they couldn't agree on a price for the units produced.
( link to 2009 thread)


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Old 12-31-2012, 02:45 PM   #32
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The more I look at the "schematics" page, the more I appreciate the thought which has evidently gone into this design.

I did notice a few technical issues, mostly just in my opinion:
  • at 81", it is just a bit too wide to go without wide-vehicle clearance lights, as required by federal standards in both the U.S. and Canada
  • the GVWR seems unrealistically low
  • the front locker looks too low to accommodate the propane tank which is likely there
  • the rear bumper is positioned as a step, but does not appear to be designed to serve well as one
  • the step-in height is very high

On the other hand, the plan appears to be to use advanced composite construction ("infusion moulded") similar to the Lil Snoozy, which I find desirable.
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:51 PM   #33
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"As with Trillium"????

I think that was settled among all the players/claimants. Trillium U.S.A. even had a (shortlived) deal with Escape to manufacture the brand in Canada...
Francesca appears to be talking but an unrelated business issue - Escape was not using the Trillium name outside of the arrangement with TrilliumRV.

I was referring to TrillimRV's use of the name "Trillium", despite having no ownership rights to that (expired, Canadian) trademark.
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:04 PM   #34
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I was referring to TrillimRV's use of the name "Trillium", despite having no ownership rights to that (expired, Canadian) trademark.


There was some controversy over the name- it was briefly used by the same folks who are presently building the "Outback". I s'pose that since as you point out the trademark is expired, they settled things among themselves.

As I said.

Still, it's an apples-and-oranges comparison, since Trillium is actually reproducing the original Trillium, very slightly modified, mainly in the color and window type.

The only thing the so called "American Boler" is taking from the Boler design is its fiberglass construction...except that, as you so helpfully point out, even that has been changed from the traditional laid-up fiberglass to the cheaper bag-molding favored by garage builders everywhere.

I continue to think that this use of the "Boler" name is a cynical and deliberate attempt to capitalize on the ignorance of folks who know only that "Boler" is a famous fiberglass trailer name.


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Still, it's an apples-and-oranges comparison, since Trillium is actually reproducing the original Trillium, very slightly modified, mainly in the color.


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A couple of quick points to add to the discussion...

Re: Trademark - registration is only part of the puzzle. Trademark rights can arise under common law without registration - if you have a unique name and actually use it in conjunction with a particular product/service, trademark rights will arise under common law. Registration helps evidence and establish rights. The above is an oversimplification - its a fairly tricky area that makes lots of lawyers wealthy.

With Brian and Francesca, I agree that they really should just get their own name and not trade on the reputation of a well established although long gone maker.

I generally like the design, but it is getting away from the original boler concept. ie. it is longer, wider, taller and more complicated. That pull down bed in the front takes away headroom (that's why nobody else uses it), and the dinette in the back looks way too small for me to use.

With regard to the proposed production process, the infusion method is generally considered superior to conventional techniques. The following is the generally recognized order of quality (low to high):
-chopper gun (low strength to weight but lets you do curved parts really easily)
-hand laid fabric (longer fiber lengths give better strength and organized direction allows control of strength, and generally less resin - which doesn't contribute strength - is needed). Lots more work required.
-vacuum bagging the hand laid fabric (less resin is required - better strength to weight ratio)
-resin infusion (uses the mold, fabric and vacuum bag - the resin is injected into the dry fabric by vacuum or pressure) generally uses even less resin so even better strength to weight ratio. Even more work required to deal with the bagging and controlling resin flow.
-prepregs (utilize fabrics which come pre-impregnated with the lowest amount of resin necessary) - best strength to weight ratio but messy to work with and really expensive (this is often used with carbon fiber in the aerospace industry).

Again, the above is a vast oversimplification (the next discussion is usually resin types/pros/cons) but it gives a general idea. This is a real area of interest for me and I try to attend composite and boatbuilding trade shows each year to learn about the latest and greatest developments.
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In case anyone forgot, these are just drawings and sales hype statements entered into a design contest. Unless someone knows that something is really happening, we are just passing a zephyr or two ourselves.
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"passing a zephyr"!

I like that euphemism....

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Hope it is not vaporware. And, if not, that there are longer sizes than 13'.
The convention in the forum is to designate trailers by overall length. By that measure, the Zephyr is 16 feet long, not 13 feet.
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The "forum zephyr" referred to by Bob Miller (above but two) is a lot longer than a mere 16 feet...

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The High Desert Design Council (Bend, OR) indicates on its website that the following award was made: Best Use of Technology: Robert Johans American Boler
That's from 2012 High Desert Design Competition Winners, which does not provide any other information about the competition or the entries.
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Anyone else thinking that dark area on the top roof bend is a flex solar panel or a window? I was thinking maybe solar with the front box being battery for an all electric trailer.
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