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Old 03-02-2015, 09:40 AM   #15
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Gee Dave, you started out poo-pooing towing limits and then you made the very case for them... Thanks for the support.
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I appreciate all the info everyone. Honestly I don't really care about amenities. If I had the ability I would buy one of those 5 x 8 cargo trailers that weigh 800 pounds, and install a full sized shower & toilet and throw in an air mattress. I could call it the Mobile bathroom & bed.

I agree if i'm nearing the 1500 pounds i'd have to have brakes. My only concern with going over the 1500 pounds is legal reasons. I wonder how severe the fines are, also if I got into a wreck I doubt insurance would pay a dime.
I am no legal expert, but as far as I understand, there is no fine for towing past your manufacture "recommended" limits. There are several people who would agree that you would have insurance problems if you had an accident though. But, this is debated as well.

It is my OPINION that if you are within 500 lbs of your tow limit, you are probably going to be fine. But if you are going over the tow limmit, I would consider brakes to be a must.
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I appreciate your opinion Dave and agree in some ways. But, structural limits are determined by engineers after extensive testing. It isn't 'just' about lawyers and liability. The company may "pad" the numbers for a safety margin, but generally, manufacturers limits shouldn't be exceeded if you want a safe and pleasant towing experience. As an engineer, I'm going to have to disagree that the limits are there only to protect the manufacturer. They are also there to protect YOU.
Bryan, are you suggesting that Honda's European engineers calculate structural limits differently than Honda's North American engineers? The cars are structurally the same yet the European rating is twice the North American rating.
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:29 AM   #18
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WHY not use electric brakes... because they're not that expensive....and WHY even THINK about towing OVER a limit of any kind anywhere is wayyy beyond my comprehension!

Personally there's bigger fish to fry than trying to help someone testing fate.
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At least in California, at the very least, an officer can cite and impound a trailer if, in their opinion, they thought that it was being towed in a manner that was a threat to highway safety. So if there are any northerners that pull a 25' BigFoot with their Toyota Corolla, they might be forewarned before trying that in the Golden State. LOL?


As it turns out, while Oregon seems to be somewhat ambiguous about trailer brakes, it's useful to know that California and a number of other states require brakes at 1500 lbs. and NY is at 1000 lbs. so there must be something to the issue of needing brakes besides adhering to the towing limit. Here's a compilation of trailer brake requirements by state: Trailer Brakes | AAA/CAA Digest of Motor Laws


And I am sorry, but considering how much the fine is before breaking a law, isn't all that different than Ford making the decision that it was cheaper to pay death & injury claims than fix the Pinto fuel tank issue....
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Oh no! Here we go again. Tow limits.

My OPINION is that tow limits are established in North America by the marketing department, not engineers. They want to sell large trucks to people who just want to go camping on the weekend.

This is the only satisfactory explanation for what Norm, and many others, have observed about the huge difference in tow capacity in Europe vs. North America. There are those who will point out that I don't know all the differences in the design between the vehicles marketed in NA vs Europe, but I doubt they amount to much. It is in a manufactures interest to keep everything as close to identical as possible.

Basically in Europe, tow capacity is 65% of the tow vehicles weight.
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Oh no! Here we go again. Tow limits.

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Here's the solution. Stop posting on the subject.
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So, European towing standards ARE NOT based on engine size, driveline limitations, brakes, carrying capacity etc., just total weight???


I think, to a degree, that towing limits are also controlled by the fact that high MPG requirements put vehicles closer to maximum capabilities, thus reducing towing capacity, as is evidenced by the huge hits that towing puts on high MPG vehicles.


Add to that, most American built RV trailers are simply no longer in the size and weight category that they can be towed by the average American or European compact to midsized vehicle, and car makers sure aren't going to build a right sized vehicle for us, the 1%er's of the RV market.


But Wait..... What about that midsize pick-up that GM just reintroduced?????
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Bryan, are you suggesting that Honda's European engineers calculate structural limits differently than Honda's North American engineers? The cars are structurally the same yet the European rating is twice the North American rating.
Not suggesting anything. Tow over limits at your own risk. To each his own.
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Glasshouse, perhaps one of these would work for you: Little Joe Lightweight Trailer - Compact Camper Trailer for 2 by Weiscraft Trailers
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I appreciate your opinion Dave and agree in some ways. But, structural limits are determined by engineers after extensive testing. It isn't 'just' about lawyers and liability. The company may "pad" the numbers for a safety margin, but generally, manufacturers limits shouldn't be exceeded if you want a safe and pleasant towing experience. As an engineer, I'm going to have to disagree that the limits are there only to protect the manufacturer. They are also there to protect YOU.
I think a few folks are reading things into what I said. All things have limits for safe use and I agree with you that testing was done to get those numbers. I'm sure we can all agree that the numbers decided upon for a safe working limit are well below a breaking point for the safety of the end user and manufacturer. I said nothing about padding or limits being only for the maker. No manufacturer would set a limit even close to a failure number, that's just moral and common sense. Every time anyone of us tows we end up spiking over the set weight limits of various components just from road conditions. Think of it like pushing a loaded wheelbarrow through a sharp dip (chuck hole) and how much the weight load changes for that split second. If it wasn't for the factored in safety rating over the stated load limit we'd all be in trouble. The sky isn't falling, really it isn't.
Not saying it's OK to go overboard, just use some common sense.
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I think then the issue will be if you go over the limit and then hit that same sharp dip, the forces will be even greater than they would have been, had you followed guidelines.
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Add to that, most American built RV trailers are simply no longer in the size and weight category that they can be towed by the average American or European compact to midsized vehicle, and car makers sure aren't going to build a right sized vehicle for us, the 1%er's of the RV market.
But almost every day we see articles where modern cars are set up, and towing good sized, American built RV trailers. Not only articles but we see them traveling on the roads. From the decades of following this trend we are seeing the success story. I speak from experience. Our pro setup midsize car is a very good example/TV.

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I have a 2004 Toyota Corolla

Would really appreciate any recommendations on a used model that could work for me?

Thank you! Be easy on me Just a newb here.
Back on track...... George, your thoughts of towing a glass egg with your 3,500lb Corolla seems fair and reasonable, assuming it is connected correctly. Take your cue from Borden's rig. I believe it is a pro setup.*

*Always stay within the safe capabilities of your vehicle/set up/combination.
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