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Old 03-10-2018, 06:29 AM   #29
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Seriously though, a backup camera is a very nice tool for backing into spots and connecting to the trailer
doesn't that take two different backup cams? one on the tug, one on the tow?
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Old 03-10-2018, 09:07 AM   #30
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The newer vehicles are mostly coming standard with backup cams. So if you have that one and one in your RV... well.

I HAVE taken mine and have a hook up where I could put it on my truck to back to the trailer and then put it inside the Scamp when I'm done. But I dont run my tailgate when traveling with the trailer so I dont have any problems seeing the hitch now and dont have to fool with the cam.

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doesn't that take two different backup cams? one on the tug, one on the tow?
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Old 03-10-2018, 09:38 AM   #31
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While I love lots of technology advances, many of them with vehicles, there are some things where my years of training and experiences have lead to practices I prefer.

To disregard mirrors as a prime piece of safety equipment, and instead rely on cameras, is not something I care to do at all. I have driven all sizes of vehicles, towed with lots of different combination of car/truck/tractor and trailer of many sizes, and mirrors work great if used properly.

I do love to see images taken with cameras. I just prefer them to be photos and videos intended for viewing pleasure.

To each their own though.
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Old 03-10-2018, 10:20 AM   #32
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Several things change (logically) in our 2016 F-150 when we plug a camper into our 7-pin receptacle, such as the tailgate camera stops working (don't need it anymore because the view of the trailer never changes) and the cross-traffic alert stops working (otherwise it would constantly beep). One thing we didn't like was the blind-spot warning (for traffic coming up on either side of us) stopped working. I wondered why it turned off until I read in a Ford forum that the problem dealt with the blind-spot system not knowing how wide the trailer is that you're pulling, so it couldn't calculate how close to something else was too close. Apparently, Ford has a new blind-spot system that can account for how wide your trailer is, so in newer Ford truck models, the blind-spot now works while pulling a trailer - or so I've heard. Good improvement, in my opinion.
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Old 03-10-2018, 11:05 AM   #33
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Not sure why it has to be one or the other. Personally, I'll take advantage of all the help I can get, back up camera and mirrors.
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Old 03-10-2018, 12:47 PM   #34
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Not sure why it has to be one or the other. Personally, I'll take advantage of all the help I can get, back up camera and mirrors.
I'm sure the automotive designers would answer that mirrors are so passe, and those who think they still want them are nothing more than current day "Luddites". Designers can't win industry recognition and awards (and increase their paycheck) by doing the same old thing. So they have to design something new and different, that you don't want or need, then let marketers and salesmen do their job by convincing you that you not only want it but you NEED it (to stay ahead of the Jones's).
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Old 03-10-2018, 02:05 PM   #35
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There have been concept cars with technology replacing mirrors for decades. Of course they want a clean design.

We are a lot closer to reality than 20 years ago, but I'm skeptical the federal regulatory agency responsible for writing the rules will let it happen easily. Change is slow.

That's fine with me.
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There have been concept cars with technology replacing mirrors for decades. Of course they want a clean design. We are a lot closer to reality than 20 years ago, but I'm skeptical the federal regulatory agency responsible for writing the rules will let it happen easily. Change is slow.
Just wait another decade or two when these millennials, who stare into their smart devices 24/7 (the so-called "glow kids" because their face is always illuminated by their smart device screen), will be in charge of those regulatory agencies. They'll make it so you can drive your vehicles by app alone.
By the way, I heard something on the news the other day that the birth year 1996 officially ends the millennia era. Not sure what label we should be using to refer to people born since then.
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Old 03-10-2018, 04:17 PM   #38
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Don't look back....don't ever look back.
If we've resorted to song lyrics now ("Teenage Dream" by Katy Perry), then movie lines are fair game, too. I don't recall the movie or the actor, but he character he portrayed went through life like the proverbial "bull in a china shop", and his recurring line was, "What lies behind is of no concern." Unfortunately, I don't think that really applies when driving through traffic or when backing a camper into a camp site.
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I saw a video of the recent announcement of next-gen pickups from GMC, that will be shipping this year. The rear-view mirror has a feature for when you have a load in the bed that blocks the view out the back window. When you flip the switch, the whole mirror turns into a display that shows the view from a camera mounted on the back of the truck. The perspective/field of view is similar to what you normally see in the mirror.

That's a case where I think the camera is an improvement.

The pickup also supports a camera mounted on the trailer, and has a plug (separate from the seven-pin) for connecting it. I don't know if the truck is smart enough to display the trailer cam view on the rear view mirror.
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I saw a video of the recent announcement of next-gen pickups from GMC, that will be shipping this year. The rear-view mirror has a feature for when you have a load in the bed that blocks the view out the back window. When you flip the switch, the whole mirror turns into a display that shows the view from a camera mounted on the back of the truck. The perspective/field of view is similar to what you normally see in the mirror.

That's a case where I think the camera is an improvement.
GM already offers this on the Chevy Bolt EV. The camera view is great! it's a wide view and helps with blind spots. By the time the back of a car leaves the rear view camera the front is showing in the side view mirrors. It's not perfect in all conditions and can get dirty, but they did point a spray nozzle at the camera lense so at least you can clean it as you go. If that doesn't work you flip the switch back to the regular mirror.
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Old 03-11-2018, 07:45 AM   #41
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That all makes PERFECT sense where regular mirrors and electric cams can work together which is what I do. But I read others posting on here blasting saying "what happens if?" meaning if the camera quits- which makes NO sense to me!

These same people will take their vehicle that runs on a "computer" (ECU)- not to mention the other tons of "electronic equipment"- and travel literally THOUSANDS of miles at speeds 70 mph through dangerous traffic, through ALL hours of the night in places never traveled etc., not thinking "what if these ELECTRONIC GADGETs or computer quits?". So based on the opinions of the HIGH risk of using backup cameras, wouldnt you be better off to stick with the "basics" and go with a horse and buggy???

That's what I'm reading out of alot of posts on here. wow.

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I saw a video of the recent announcement of next-gen pickups from GMC, that will be shipping this year. The rear-view mirror has a feature for when you have a load in the bed that blocks the view out the back window. When you flip the switch, the whole mirror turns into a display that shows the view from a camera mounted on the back of the truck. The perspective/field of view is similar to what you normally see in the mirror.

That's a case where I think the camera is an improvement.

The pickup also supports a camera mounted on the trailer, and has a plug (separate from the seven-pin) for connecting it. I don't know if the truck is smart enough to display the trailer cam view on the rear view mirror.
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Old 03-11-2018, 08:12 AM   #42
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john when tenting in Europe I was constantly amazed at the Mercedes being used for tugs there! like an amg pulling a trailer!


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