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Old 02-18-2016, 07:04 PM   #71
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I received a PM yesterday from one of the owners of Helio RV. He explained that the top piece and side pieces are molded FG, and the joints are "overlapped with epoxy glue". I wrote back and asked how he thought the glue's strength would compare, over time and rough roads and UV exposure, to the way most egg halves are joined.

As I understand it, most eggs have some resin-impregnated fiberglass mat or cloth across the seam as well as having resin/hardener applied to the lips... am I right?

I wouldn't get too excited about the difference between epoxy glue and FG resin/hardener, since epoxy is basically a variation of the latter. Mainly a question of polyesters versus polyamides or polyamines, and not a big issue. But I think the Scamps, Casitas, etc have a little more holding the two halves together than just a coat of liquid that has hardened; correct me if I'm wrong.

Other than that question of durability in my mind, I think the Helio does meet the descriptor, "molded fiberglass."
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Old 02-19-2016, 06:50 AM   #72
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A fiberglass T@B. Fourteen feet with a queen bed. With the current exchange rate (about $ .75 US to the $ 1 Cn) the price is competitive. There is mention of a fiberglass floor. I wonder how they stiffen it. Wood? Looks like a nice trailer but there's not enough windows for me. Raz
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Old 02-19-2016, 09:44 AM   #73
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Mike- good question. I toured the factory and just happened to video the interior of a shell that had been recently joined. I captured a photo out of the vid and display it here. The shells are fiberglassed together then the joint covered with another piece of fiberglass cloth and coated with the polyester resin again. VERY strong joint. I've never heard of a Scamp's joint failure unless it was a wreck or just a totally deteriorated shell. See the photo below.

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I wouldn't get too excited about the difference between epoxy glue and FG resin/hardener, since epoxy is basically a variation of the latter. Mainly a question of polyesters versus polyamides or polyamines, and not a big issue. But I think the Scamps, Casitas, etc have a little more holding the two halves together than just a coat of liquid that has hardened; correct me if I'm wrong.

Other than that question of durability in my mind, I think the Helio does meet the descriptor, "molded fiberglass."
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Old 02-19-2016, 02:26 PM   #74
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Are Stick Built Small RVs going to kill fiberglass RVs?

"You can have the best product in the world, but if nobody knows about it, what good is it?"
The Austin RV Expo, one of the biggest in Texas, is happening this weekend. I was looking at the pictures on Facebook and in one of them is the 17 foot Bigfoot and the Bigfoot Camper from Canada.
It's a shame Casita wasn't there. Their factory is only about 150 miles away.



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Old 02-19-2016, 02:58 PM   #75
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If enough people know about it to fill all available production capacity, is that good enough?

Participation in RV shows isn't cheap. That cost gets added to the price of the product. It's not like Casita, Scamp, and the others are unaware of how the rest of the industry works. I'm guessing they have considered it and rejected it as not worth the time and manpower.
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Old 02-19-2016, 03:10 PM   #76
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Folks are waiting for the production schedule for 2017 Escape trailers to open in the Spring. They're at manufacture production capacity now. Jon is right, why attend an RV show if you don't need too. The same with the other all-molded-towable manufacturers. ALL the stickie manufacturers are competing with one another for buyers. A totally different market.
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And if they got more business.....how could they handle it??? I think Escape has over a year waiting list right now. While it would be nice to see the FG's at RV shows, they simply dont need- nor evidently want- more advertisement. I think WoM is getting them all the business that makes them happy.

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If enough people know about it to fill all available production capacity, is that good enough?

Participation in RV shows isn't cheap. That cost gets added to the price of the product. It's not like Casita, Scamp, and the others are unaware of how the rest of the industry works. I'm guessing they have considered it and rejected it as not worth the time and manpower.
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I was never aware of fiberglass trailers. I bought a Jaco and then a KZ. The KZ had a 2 year overall and 12 year warranty on the roof. I found out accidentally about fiberglass because I happens to camp during a Casita rally.


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Old 02-19-2016, 03:50 PM   #79
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If enough people know about it to fill all available production capacity, is that good enough?



Participation in RV shows isn't cheap. That cost gets added to the price of the product. It's not like Casita, Scamp, and the others are unaware of how the rest of the industry works. I'm guessing they have considered it and rejected it as not worth the time and manpower.

The thing is getting future customers. One of the main reasons Escape has a one year waiting is because of the Canadian dollar depreciation. They didn't have these waiting times before the devaluation. The fiberglass companies aren't behind because of the amount of orders but because they build only until one is ordered. The wait is because of the time it takes to build. The manufacturing process they use is also outdated. It's very different from the other RV manufactures where they produce what people want now. People don't want it wait a year for their RV, car, etc.
China depreciates their yen to sell more goods to the US. Escape is doing the opposite by increasing the price by four thousand. Let's see what happens now. With waiting over a year to order and paying four thousand more they're going to lose lots of customers. I can already see it on their forums. Not very many people want it wait two years to travel and camp.
I'm not bashing FGRVs, I'm talking about business. I own a Casita.


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Marky, we'll have to agree to disagree. There will always be people who don't know about all-molded-towables and that doesn't have anything to do with RV shows. Some folks never research anything before they buy much of anything and that will always be the case. I think it's up to the consumer to be informed and not up to the manufacturer to educate me. YMMV
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I went to an RV show before purchasing my Escape.
The only other trailer there of similar size was a Nash.
I looked at the construction and weight of the Nash and decided that would never be the trailer for me.

I got my deposit in for the Escape and managed to grab the last spot that would get me a trailer for that summer.
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Are Stick Built Small RVs going to kill fiberglass RVs?

Donna with all due respect, I did my research before buying my Travel Trailers. They were very good quality built trailers too. What FGRV company gives you 12 years of warranty on their roof not leaking. Many of the RV manufactures have been making TT since the 60s. The reason they are still in business is because of their quality and advertising. Many of the RVs manufactured in the 50s and 60s are still out there.
How does one research on something that's not out there. How do you join a forum you don't know about.
I joined all the RV forums I could find on the Internet, asked all the right questions, and checked all the ratings on the different RVs before buying my first Jayco. I attended all the RV shows in Texas, including the two in San Antonio, Austin, and two in Dallas looking for a good quality RV. I talked to people who have been RVing for over 40 years . Never was there a mention of an FGRV. It's not a lack of consumer knowledge, but a lack of manufacture advertising. I live in Texas, home of the Casita and I didn't know about them.
From the time you get up, to the time you go to bed you use products that were advertised. How many products would you now own if it hadn't been advertised. FGRV is the best kept secret!


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I would think it would be good business to educate possible purchasers of your product to the superior features your product offers. If there was a fiberglass trailer manufacturer that offered a trailer that was the same size ,quality , and price point as Escape with a 60 to 90 day lead time instead of 1 1/2 years , I believe things would be different . IMHO . Let's see what happens when the exchange rate returns to a less favorable position for the US dollar
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Y’all got me thinking…

How do people gather information and shop today… Oh yeah… the internet!

So, I tried the search query “lightweight camping trailers” in three different search engines and here’s what I found on the first page of search results:
Google: Scamp, LivinLite, Starcraft, Lance, Eggcamper, Jayco, Casita
Yahoo: LivinLite, Scamp, Casita, Weiscraft, Parkliner
Bing: LivinLite, Scamp, Casita, Weiscraft

On the whole, molded fiberglass manufacturers seem pretty well represented. Of course the websites vary in quality, but if I were a molded fiberglass manufacturer, I think that's where I'd put my limited marketing dollars.
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