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Old 04-16-2006, 02:18 AM   #15
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Here in Idaho we have black bear, grizzly bear, cougars, and moose in our woods and I feel a lot more comfortable out there with them then I do in any big city. If you get killed in the woods it may be because you are just part of the food chain. If you get killed in the city its for drugs, or you are a victum of rape, or random violence, or you are a pawn in someones gang initation. Yes I'll take the animal kingdom any day they make more since. Jerry
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Old 04-16-2006, 06:39 AM   #16
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Bryon I agree that most of the time we have more to fear during our trip to get someplace. Statisticly I am more likely to be injured or killed during my commute to my job at a Federal prison than at work. That does not mean that I don't practice self defense and stay alert at work.
My job is 99% routine and 1% emergency. Yet I spend 99% of my time watching for the emergency. Same thing in the world.
You never know when you will find a critter that thinks you are an easy meal. Know what ot do. There may have only been 57 black bear deaths but there are an increasing number of conflicts with all wild animals. Cougar attachs are greatly increasing and the spray will work on them also.
Hope for the best, plan for the rest.
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Old 04-16-2006, 07:35 AM   #17
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Killer bear still on the loose
Doctors expect boy, mom to recover from attack

By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press
April 16, 2006


CHATTANOOGA - Baited traps and snares failed for a second day Saturday to catch a black bear near the mountaintop swimming hole where on Thursday one of the normally shy animals killed a 6-year-old girl described as an animal lover.
The girl's 2-year-old brother was in fair condition, but their mother remained in critical condition, hospital officials said. Doctors said they expected both to recover.

Officers detected some "bear activity" around the traps and snares that were rigged Friday in the remote Cherokee National Forest Chilhowee Recreation Area, said Sharon Moore, a U.S. Forest Service spokeswoman.

If any bears are trapped, a comparison with hairs shed during the attack will identify the responsible animal, Moore said.

Susan Cenkus, 45, of Clyde, Ohio, and her children were in the forest recreation area Thursday while they were in the area to visit her eldest son, a music student at Lee University in Cleveland, near Chattanooga.

They had planned to watch him participate in an Easter weekend religious service, a relative in Cleveland who would not give her name said Saturday. She said the family was not ready to talk to reporters.

The family was among several groups of visitors leaving a waterfall when the children reported seeing a bear on the trail.

Adults were trying to drive the 350- to 400-pound bear off the trail when it attacked, biting 2-year-old Luke Cenkus on the head and puncturing his skull, officials said.

His mother tried to fend off the bear with rocks and sticks, but the bear attacked her, dragging her yards off the trail.

Her daughter, 6-year-old Elora Petrasek, apparently ran away, and almost an hour passed before rescuer Danny Stinnett found her body about 100 yards off the trail with the bear.

He said he shot twice at the bear with a pistol before it ran away.

"I know I hit it. It reared up on its hind legs. It was as big as you and me," Stinnett, who is 5 feet 8 inches tall, told The Associated Press.

A neighbor of the family in Ohio, Autumn Bundschuh, described Elora as an animal lover who played with Bundschuh's 70-pound dog.

"She loved my dog. She'd pet him and throw his ball and rope. She always played with him and petted him and loved on him and talked to him," Bundschuh said in a telephone interview Saturday. "You knew she was going to do something with animals when she grew up."

She said Cenkus, a nurse, was home schooling Elora in Clyde, a town of about 6,000 residents 40 miles southeast of Toledo, Ohio.

The attack happened about 10 miles from the nearest highway and a river where the 1996 Olympics whitewater competition was held.

Some federal and state wildlife officers said they could only speculate about why the bear turned violent instead of running away and said it might never be caught.

"We don't know (that) the bear hadn't been antagonized on the trail by the children," said Tennessee Wildlife Resource Agency spokesman Dan Hicks. "In this case, all of our witnesses made a posthaste exit."

Black bears normally are shy, and there have been only 56 documented killings of humans by members of the species in North America in the past 100 years, said Lynn Rogers of the North American Bear Center in Ely, Minn.

Thursday's fatal attack was only the second in modern times in Tennessee, Hicks said.

In May 2000, a woman was killed by black bears near the Elkmont Campground in the Great Smoky Mountain National Park. Glenda Ann Bradley, a schoolteacher from Cosby, was attacked by an adult female bear and a year-old cub.
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Old 04-16-2006, 10:48 PM   #18
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we (people) are invading their territory
You do hear that quite a bit, but do any of you really feel that way? When I am in the woods or on the water I never feel that I am invading any creatures territory, but instead I am sharing it with them. The risks are real, but rare. I also believe that like all the other creatures that share space with predators, I have the right to defend myself or my family to every extent possible. That is indeed the natural arrangment, and is perfectly understood by the predator as well. They do not expect prey to just lay down. I have a 5 year old daughter and I place much more importance on her life than that of any animal. As her father and protector it is certainly my responsibility. Sad that there is no mention of a father in this story. Perhaps he could have saved the little girls life. Alec
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Old 04-17-2006, 07:04 AM   #19
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You don't actually believe that do you? If so you are sadly misinformed, especially the part "to every extent possible.".

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Old 04-17-2006, 10:25 AM   #20
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Hey I TOTALLY agree with you about feeling safer out here in my neck of the wilds than the cities!!! I'm SCARED in the cities but never feel scared out here- and we do have the black bears, and cougars here. (though no one likes to admit to the cougars- but people HAVE spotted them, reliable sightings! ) Thank God we have a lot of deer here- no human cougar attacks like in CA yet!.

OH ONE THING about humans and bears that really TICKS ME OFF... is the so-called "bear Hunting" method of Baiting!!! 95% of bear hunters don't actually HUNT bears, just keep a spot in their woods BAITED with old food most of the year- AND THEY ACTUALLY SING AND WHISTLE "so the bear learns NOT to be afraid of them" so it's easier to just shoot them at the bait station during hunting season!!!!!!!!!! Talk about MAKING a dangerous bear! Oh how nice- teach the bears to associate a human walking thru the woods with food! Moronic if you ask me.

But it pays to carry bear spray when traveling in predator's space... and that goes for the woods AND THE CITIES.... bear spray was one of the first things I bought for my daughters when they moved out of the house and did the college and own apartment thing!
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Old 04-17-2006, 10:44 AM   #21
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How sad... but unfortuanlly things like this does occur.. maybe the bear had cubs around or just an onrey bear?
We have an abundency of black bears here.. but I have not yet seen one while camping thank goodeness.. I am sure the rangers are on alert. This time of the yr and them coming out of hibernation I am sure mama bear has cubs they are looking for food and i guess if we humans are in their doman its not a good thing...
Does Bear spray work on humans? I carry 'Halt' with me for dogs when i am walking the dogs away from the camp sites, but dont think it works on humans. I would hate to carry 2 or three differnt kinds of spray and at the last moment grab the wrong one! I will check with the sporting goods store today on the bear spray....
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The bear has now been captured and euthanized. I haven't read the details, but I've heard it was a large male bear--about 400 pounds. But I haven't gotten exact details, so don't quote me.

Humans are invading animal habitat. But not by hiking or camping or backpacking. But by urban sprawl. Areas that were once wild are now suburban with houses and shopping centers. This must be stopped and future development into wild lands halted or tightly regulated. Or else there will soon be so little wild lands remaining that our parks will be reduced to small patches of green surrounded by urban and suburban landscapes with no rural lands remaining and wild country reduced to small patches that will be ecologically insignificant and biologically unstainable.
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Humans are invading animal habitat. But not by hiking or camping or backpacking. But by urban sprawl. Areas that were once wild are now suburban with houses and shopping centers. This must be stopped and future development into wild lands halted or tightly regulated. Or else there will soon be so little wild lands remaining that our parks will be reduced to small patches of green surrounded by urban and suburban landscapes with no rural lands remaining and wild country reduced to small patches that will be ecologically insignificant and biologically unstainable.
Totally agree!!! There is enough land for the both of us to live peacefully, but bad encounters will happen at times whether its with a bear, mt lion, or what ever.... Everythihng needs their "space' and when its invaded and no place for wild life to go.. they are confussed, hungry, and retaliate to get food for themselves and their young.
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Well they caught what they think is the guilty bear this weekend. He/she will be put down. I feel great sympathy for the family but I still hate to see a bear put down for doing what comes naturally. I know it has to be done but that is one less wild critter out there for us shutterbugs.
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I am in total agreement that urban sprawl is detrimental to wildlife habitat. This case however took place in a wilderness setting and is a simple case of a predator and prey.

Rick - I am not "sadly misinformed" in expressing my right to defend my life or the life of my wife or child from an attacking animal, by any means. If you find an objection to our right to live, and if indeed by implication you place greater value upon the life of the attacking animal than the life of myself, my wife, my child or any other human, than you indeed are the one that is misinformed, at best.
Why, even a mother bear protects her young.
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I am in total agreement that urban sprawl is detrimental to wildlife habitat. This case however took place in a wilderness setting and is a simple case of a predator and prey.

Rick - I am not "sadly misinformed" in expressing my right to defend my life or the life of my wife or child from an attacking animal, by [b]any means. If you find an objection to our right to live, and if indeed by implication you place greater value upon the life of the attacking animal than the life of myself, my wife, my child or any other human, than you indeed are the one that is misinformed, at best.
Why, even a mother bear protects her young.
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I don't think guns are restricted at the area where the event took place. It was a National Forest area. Indeed, one of the people there was able to frighten the bear away by discharging a firearm. (But didn't apparently hit the bear.)

National Parks don't allow guns. Neither do most state parks I've visited.

Animal attacks are very rare. However, with over a quarter of a billion human beings in this nation alone, there are bound to be sad encounters that leave people dead. I do a lot of hiking and backpacking, and while I've had my share of frightening encounters with bears, none of them required any kind of self defense.
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Humans are invading animal habitat. But not by hiking or camping or backpacking. But by urban sprawl. Areas that were once wild are now suburban with houses and shopping centers. This must be stopped and future development into wild lands halted or tightly regulated. Or else there will soon be so little wild lands remaining that our parks will be reduced to small patches of green surrounded by urban and suburban landscapes with no rural lands remaining and wild country reduced to small patches that will be ecologically insignificant and biologically unstainable.
And, unfortunately, we're not even sprawling intelligently. We've built on known fault lines in the Bay Area and SoCal. In San Diego, there are huge housing developments built under a dam. I lived in the "back country" in San Diego County in a development called San Diego Country Estates. When I lived there, it was small enough to largely sit on the valley floor; largely immune to brush fires. Country Estates has now built out into the surrounding mountain sides, and lost dozens of houses to the fires a couple of years ago. We've built in flood plains... not to mention what we're doing to the ground water in the midwest with farm chemicals and animal-factory run-off.

It doesn't amaze me that builders build houses in those places. It amazes me that banks will loan money on them, and that anyone would actually buy a house there without recognizing the risks, both financially and personally.

I'm not anti-growth... I'm just not for doing things that are stupid!

Oh... and just to stay on topic, I've had three bear encounters in my backpacking experience, and I too encountered bears that were less happy to see me than I was to see them...

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My bear encounters have been fascinating, but uneventful. The nearest was in broad daylight, just a few yards from me in a reasonably open area. He/She was fully aware of me, and I and my pups were fully aware of it.

He/She was simply on it's way somewhere, and only "paws'd" briefly to look at me, then suantered on it's way. I felt no threat from the onset.

The others were simply me being in it's way.. a bump on my trailer, and once with one roaming a ridge across from me.

I most certainly would not go out of my way to greet one, but I am not fearful of an unprovoked attack. Just like thiefs and those out to do you harm, be aware of the possibility, take proper precautions and go have fun.
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