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Old 02-21-2013, 03:56 PM   #71
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I think you need to give credit and trust where it is due.
I'm not knockin' what CanAm does- there's obviously a market for it among folks with marginal tow setups....I've heard Can Am is very creative in those situations and "premium prices" for doing so is perfectly justified.

This just isn't one of those situations. There's no indication from the O.P. that he wants the car to do anything other than tow well below recommended limits. Why send him to an Orthopedic Surgeon when all he needs is a corn plaster?

Still- if he'd like to pay "premium prices", he might consider paying someone to install the hitch that Subaru engineered for his specific car, that will perfectly fit, and do what he wants it to do.

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Old 02-24-2013, 09:24 PM   #72
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Here is a thread that sums up the discussion nicely.

It talks about the vehicle manufacturer being out of touch with the RV world.

The customer gets caught in the middle with a safety issue.

Landrover Safety Issue - Airstream Forums
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I tried to understand, but the problem I have is the way people use the term "hitch". I gather that the hitch fell off ( the WDH? ); not that the hitch receiver fell off??
So, did the hitch receiver become detached from the vehicle or what?
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I read "hitch" as the part that's attached to the vehicle.

I read that thread as a textbook example of the folly of listening/paying heed to anyone but the vehicle maker when it comes to the installation of such hardware.

Imagine taking the advice of the guy that sells you the trailer per what the right hardware is for a vehicle he had nothing to do with building!

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I read it that the hitch some how came off the under side of the tug. I also read into it that the tugs manufacture doesnt support the use of the WDH and blamed it on the use of the WDH. What has me puzzled though is why is it unsafe to pull at 19' trailer with a tongue weight of over 10% unsafe with out a WDH and why would the trailer dealer not sell the trailer without out it?

EDIT just looked at the tug manufactures site and I now suspect its the special design hitch receiver that was coming off.
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I read it that the hitch some how came off the under side of the tug.
If that's the case, how was it that it could happen several times while towing back to the dealer? I can't imagine re-installing my hitch receiver several times while on the road.
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If that's the case, how was it that it could happen several times while towing back to the dealer? I can't imagine re-installing my hitch receiver several times while on the road.
I can't imagine repeatedly installing any hitch that kept causing me to lose my trailer, and endangering my life, and the life of everybody on the road.

If brains were gas, some people wouldn't make it out of their driveway. Unfortunately, they can, and then this happens.
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To clarify....

The LR4 is rated for towing 7700 lbs with a tongue weight 500.

Without question towing that amount of weight, with a 500lb tongue weight, "without" a WDH is foolish and dangerous. Now this is a Land Rover and perhaps the manufacturer assumes the driver is towing on a dirt road in Africa doing 10MPH.

The dealer installs the WDH. The action of the WDH causes the receiver to come loose and disconnects from the vehicle.

The manufacturer sends the owner a different manual???

Mr. T from Can Am explains the situation as he is aware of the manufacturer's short comings and writes about the proper solution as he has experience with the Land Rovers.

The point is you cannot trust the manufacturers numbers in all cases. Off shore vehicle builders don't understand WDH's and send their vehicles into the North American market with a smoke and mirror hue.

Buyer's beware.
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Still don't understand how something ( the hitch receiver ) that is bolted ( I presume ) to the vehicle could come loose "several times" and be re-attached ( after, as I recall creating large holes in the vehicle ). Not something I would attempt on the side of the road.
I am suspect of the narrator's story.
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Further to my failure to understand what really happened, the chains from my tow are attached to the hitch receiver, so if the hitch receiver came off the vehicle "several times", how did the chains prevent the trailer from taking off?
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To clarify....

The LR4 is rated for towing 7700 lbs with a tongue weight 500.

Without question towing that amount of weight, with a 500lb tongue weight, "without" a WDH is foolish and dangerous. Now this is a Land Rover and perhaps the manufacturer assumes the driver is towing on a dirt road in Africa doing 10MPH.

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I get what the tug was rated for but the trailer in question was per the owners post "Our trailer is 4,500 lbs with a tongue weight of 500 lbs. So again I ask why would the seller of the trailer make him buy a WDH if the manufacture was clear on not wanting them used on their tugs? and apparently based on the outcome of using it they had a pretty good reason for it.
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I get what the tug was rated for but the trailer in question was per the owners post "Our trailer is 4,500 lbs with a tongue weight of 500 lbs. So again I ask why would the seller of the trailer make him buy a WDH if the manufacture was clear on not wanting them used on their tugs? and apparently based on the outcome of using it they had a pretty good reason for it.
Maybe the trailer dealer should have referred him to "trailer weights in the real world"?
As I've indicated previously, I wouldn't rely on anything the owner said as being accurate or informed. Still don't understand how his hitch receiver could come off the vehicle yet the chains work and how he could re-attach it several times on the way to the dealer. The story, as I read it, doesn't make sense.
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Further to my failure to understand what really happened, the chains from my tow are attached to the hitch receiver, so if the hitch receiver came off the vehicle "several times", how did the chains prevent the trailer from taking off?
Reading the link and the posts that followed the first one, I suspect it was actually the draw bar that came off not the hitch receiver itself . The L4 has an interesting draw bar that Landrover calls a quick release - and from the follow up post it apparently takes a hitch shop that knows what they are doing with the Landrover to set up a WDH to work correctly and apparently safely. Perhaps the one he had installed was not and was hitting something on the draw bar causing it to release. That of course is total speculation and just reading between the lines on my part, so actually have no idea as to why or how it would cause it to release.

Here is a photo fromm Landrover.com L4 Accessories.

There are some other photos of what looks like a different draw bar again and hitch at Landrover.com Discovery 4 accessories .
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To clarify....

Mr. T from Can Am explains the situation as he is aware of the manufacturer's short comings and writes about the proper solution as he has experience with the Land Rovers.

The point is you cannot trust the manufacturers numbers in all cases. Off shore vehicle builders don't understand WDH's and send their vehicles into the North American market with a smoke and mirror hue.

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ok so I went back and read Mr. T 's post and I have to say I am really surprised by his and your comments about the manufactures hitch set up considering that it is built and installed in Europe. Kind of funny considering that we hear here over and over from yourself and CanAm supports here that the European hitches are the way to go thus the need for CanAm to put on a custom hitch ...... now we hear that a vehicle that comes from Europe with a European style hitch on it that's used all over Europe without the need for a WDH and probable towing heavier trailers or at least thats what we keep hearing here, apparently isnt any good for towing here, seriously?

Sorry but this is starting to sound a lot like lets spin it anyway we can to get the tug owner to spend a lot of money putting a different hitch on their vehicle.
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