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Old 02-25-2013, 08:50 AM   #85
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To clarify....

The LR4 is rated for towing 7700 lbs with a tongue weight 500.

Without question towing that amount of weight, with a 500lb tongue weight, "without" a WDH is foolish and dangerous.
Now this is a Land Rover and perhaps the manufacturer assumes the driver is towing on a dirt road in Africa doing 10MPH.

The dealer installs the WDH. The action of the WDH causes the receiver to come loose and disconnects from the vehicle.

The manufacturer sends the owner a different manual???

Mr. T from Can Am explains the situation as he is aware of the manufacturer's short comings and writes about the proper solution as he has experience with the Land Rovers.

The point is you cannot trust the manufacturers numbers in all cases. Off shore vehicle builders don't understand WDH's and send their vehicles into the North American market with a smoke and mirror hue.

Buyer's beware.
Buyers beware, indeed, but of the trailer/hitch sellers that promote equipment for rigs whose limitations are either misunderstood or simply ignored by them. It's bad enough that consumers misunderstand the meaning of their own vehicles' weight "limits" without salesmen of add-ons taking advantage of their confusion!

Just as with speed limits, the total weight "towable" is an upper limit, and adjustments must be made for conditions, which conditions must include limitations imposed by the trailer type being towed. Vehicle manufacturers would do everyone a favor if they'd clearly state in manuals that there's a difference between camptrailers and boats.

Many people will read LR's above numbers as either false or misleading when in fact they are neither.

The upper trailer weight limit expressed above is just that- an upper limit- and perfectly doable using the lower tongue weight limit so long as the towed unit is a boat trailer. This is the much more common tow, especially among vehicles of this type, and boats are typically/safely towed with a tongue weight ratio about half that needed for the more unstable camptrailer.



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Old 02-25-2013, 08:53 AM   #86
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Reading the link and the posts that followed the first one, I suspect it was actually the draw bar that came off not the hitch receiver itself . The L4 has an interesting draw bar that Landrover calls a quick release - and from the follow up post it apparently takes a hitch shop that knows what they are doing with the Landrover to set up a WDH to work correctly and apparently safely. Perhaps the one he had installed was not and was hitting something on the draw bar causing it to release. That of course is total speculation and just reading between the lines on my part, so actually have no idea as to why or how it would cause it to release.

Here is a photo fromm Landrover.com L4 Accessories.

There are some other photos of what looks like a different draw bar again and hitch at Landrover.com Discovery 4 accessories .
I agree with you Carol. This is my understanding as well. Thnxs for the pic. It all helps.
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This looks like a nice clash between towing cultures - Land Rover make vehicles that are very highly-regarded for towing, at least in Britain, and they probably think the world should adapt to them, not the other way around.

500lb hitch weight on 7700lb trailer is almost generous by European standards, even if it is low by US standards - indeed LR only allow a 310lb hitch weight in Europe for the same maximum trailer weight.
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Check Can-Am RV in London On .The owner is probably the most knowageable person available . Have used them twice for toyota van &am very happy with results.

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[QUOTE=Andrew Gibbens;364895]This looks like a nice clash between towing cultures - Land Rover make vehicles that are very highly-regarded for towing, /QUOTE]

Suspect some in the UK would suggest thats a bit of an understatement!

Hard to pass a farm in the UK that doesn't have a Land Rover or two in the yard. Attend any horse related event in the UK and it quickly starts to look like a Land Rover meet due to shear number of them pulling the horses trailers.
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The LR4 is rated for towing 7700 lbs with a tongue weight 500.

Without question towing that amount of weight, with a 500lb tongue weight, "without" a WDH is foolish and dangerous.
Are you claiming to speak for everyone here, or is this an opinion?

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Now this is a Land Rover and perhaps the manufacturer assumes the driver is towing on a dirt road in Africa doing 10MPH.
... or anywhere in Europe, the home of Land Rover. I doubt there are many LR4s on dirt roads in Africa.

There was apparently a communication problem in this case, which doesn't seem to involve the same type of tug as the original poster is equipping, or a trailer which is lightweight. It would be interesting if any objective information were provided, but the relevance seems shaky to me.

Of course, one might conclude that it's a bad idea to buy a Land Rover for reliable towing following typical North American practices, but that's what I would have guessed anyway.
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The hitch wasn't showing up for me in those links to Land Rover accessories (maybe due to my browser or location), but one minute of Google searching yielded this page: Land Rover Trailer Tow Hitch Receiver, Quick Release, Fits LR3, LR4, RR Sport. It is far from authoritative, but it shows the removable part which goes into the Land Rover towbar socket. In Europe it would presumably end in a towball (as shown in the photo in Carol's post, making it a removable gooseneck) or a mounting plate for a flange-style towball; here, it has this receiver box so common North American ball mounts can be used.

It appears that the problem was that someone bought this and did not know how to use it. I have just discovered that Land Rover openly offers their manuals online so I'll have a look. In the mean time I'm still struggling to understand how this is relevant, or how there is even a problem for Land Rover owners towing Airstreams, assuming they are bright enough to learn how to use the stuff they buy... but maybe that's just me.
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The Land Rover documentation website (TOPIx) requires registration, but you don't need to own a Land Rover (or pay anything) to use it. I registered and read the towing section of the 2012 LR4 manual, so I guess I'm now the resident expert

The manual is generally clear and concise, although it uses one European term ("overrun" brakes). It does not say that WD can be used... but it doesn't say it can't - WD is not mentioned at all. Specific ball mount dimensions (length from pin hole to ball, mount rise) are given, with an illustration of a weight-carrying ball mount. To the Airstream dealer, I think that this should have immediately raised a red flag and caused a query to Land Rover. Of course, this assumes that anyone would be diligent enough to read the manual.

Now, what vehicle were we supposed to be talking about, and what did my signature line say again... ?
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The dealer installs the WDH. The action of the WDH causes the receiver to come loose and disconnects from the vehicle.

The manufacturer sends the owner a different manual???
Yes, the Airstream dealer (yes, like Can Am RV, but not them; perhaps Airstream of Western Pennsylvania) installs the WDH. The action of the WDH causes the receiver to come loose and disconnects from the vehicle.
The tow vehicle manufacturer (Land Rover) sends the owner a different manual, presumably clarifying that the WDH never should have been used.

This makes sense to me.
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Where oh where has the O.P. gone?

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I will need to install a hitch on my new tow vehicle, 2013 Outback.I have no interest in DIY. Any suggestions in the Toronto area? I will also cross the border if the price and service warrant.
Good news, O.P. Dave!

We've decided that you should immediately get rid of the Outback and buy the Landrover discussed upthread along with the Airstream Trailer it was towing before the hitch fell off or whatever it was that happened to it.

The Landrover is at the Dealer's waiting for parts such as the trailer, which has not yet been found.

Well, not all of it, anyway...

Hope this helps!

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... the chains from my tow are attached to the hitch receiver, so if the hitch receiver came off the vehicle "several times", how did the chains prevent the trailer from taking off?
As others have already mentioned, the part "falling off" is the removable insert - essentially part of the ball mount. As with conventional North American receivers and ball mounts, the Land Rover's safety chain loops are on the fixed receiver/towbar portion, exactly for this reason.

In the drawing in the owners manual, the Thule hitch on the Land Rover appears to have a safety chain loop on the fixed hardware above and behind the socket for the removable part.
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