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Old 02-05-2016, 10:33 AM   #29
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Good info. Thanks Carol.
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:53 AM   #30
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Very interesting but sad story Carol. Thanks for filling us in.
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Very interesting but sad story Carol. Thanks for filling us in.
Well the good news is that they have been very much back in biz since 2012 and have hired back many of the original employees. They did though while closed lose a significant chuck of a market that they once held firmly. Escape has cut pretty deep into the smaller fibreglass trailers and for many many years here in BC the only truck camper the serious west coast fishermen wanted and owned was a Bigfoot camper. You could pull into many of the hot fishing spots and the majority of truck campers would be Bigfoots...... while they where out of biz it gave the opportunity for many to discover there is another manufacturer who is producing an equally as nice and leak free truck camper.

Back on topic I am also a bit disappointed in some ways with the current line up of Fiberglass trailers as well. I am looking to change trailers to what I hope will be my last one and it is one that I intend to take much longer extended trips with. I want a trailer that is no longer then 22' has a full sized bed and comfortable seating for 4 (without having to undo the bed) and *lots* of kitchen counter space and storage space and is not excessively heavy ..... as much as I wish I had, I have not found that trailer in the fiberglass world. And yes I have seen an Oliver in person as well as all the Escapes, Bigfoots, Parkliner etc etc. Yup I could get/find what I want in a Bigfoot 21' but the weight of them is over the top for my liking. Take a look at Airstream's line up of smallish trailers and one of them is a 20' and it has everything on my want/need list as well as a separated shower, double kitchen sink and it comes in at 2500lbs lighter than the 21' Bigfoot. Yup Airstreams have rivets but what the heck I currently own a Scamp


I know most of the fiberglass manufactures have tried hard to keep the trailers the same width as the tugs or close to for the improved fuel economy and I wonder sometimes is that is why they can't do much more to improve the layouts they offer. But I have a hunch that someone willing to fork out more than $45,000 for small trailer may not be overly concerned about the a loss of a MPG or two.
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Just wait for the rumored new Bigfoot 28 footer...or find an old Bigfoot 28' Silver Cloud!
Actually the OP will find all they are asking for in the Bigfoot 21, no need to go another 8' longer....... they just need to be willing to deal with the excessive weight of the Bigfoot.
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I know most of the fiberglass manufactures have tried hard to keep the trailers the same width as the tugs or close to for the improved fuel economy and I wonder sometimes is that is why they can't do much more to improve the layouts they offer. But I have a hunch that someone willing to fork out more than $45,000 for small trailer may not be overly concerned about the a loss of a MPG or two.
I've wondered also how much difference it would make to mpgs with the egg shape if they were a foot wider. I would guess not much as the curved frontal area displaces air so well. It certainly would make interior design and layout changes possible. Storage and a larger bed comes to mind..........
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Along with the loss of a few MPG by towing a larger/heavier all-molded-towable, there's usually the need to purchase a new tow vehicle. Factoring in both, and often it's out of the reach of many who are looking to buy just the trailer.
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To my eye, the wide-body Airstreams are just ugly, misproportioned. I'd hate to see Oliver become that. As said, though, within a narrower profile, there's only so much you can do, layout-wise. No walk-around queen bed, for example, or four-person side dinette. Oliver is a rolling sailboat, while Bigfoot is a rolling houseboat.

What if Bigfoot were to compete with Escape by bringing back lighter, less-expensive 1500-series travel trailers? Seems perfectly possible- no new molds required... What if they abandoned the dealership distribution model in favor of direct factory sales, like the rest of the molded fiberglass industry, along with factory-direct pricing? What if...
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The end times are nigh when folks are talking about a slide-out on an FGRV.
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Really, huh?!
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The end times are nigh when folks are talking about a slide-out on an FGRV.
There are tons of fiberglass trailers with slides... none on all molded towables, that's a huge difference
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Donna, Donna… I knew what he meant!

I believe Airstream has not only gone wide, but has even caved to market pressure and offered a slide-out. I saw one in a campground last year.

O, wretched excess!
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...I want a trailer that is no longer then 22' has a full sized bed and comfortable seating for 4 (without having to undo the bed) and *lots* of kitchen counter space and storage space and is not excessively heavy ...
You made me curious, Carol. Here's what I see…
1. Bigfoot 25B21FB: full-sized bed, 4-person dinette, dry bath, 6CF fridge, 4450# dry, 7500# GVWR, base retail price…??? (here's one for $39.5K USD, $55K CAD)
2. Escape 21: full-sized bed, 4-person dinette, wet bath, 6.7 CF fridge, 3140# dry, 4500# GVWR, base retail price $31.8K CAD ($22.9K USD)
3. Airstream Sport 22FB: full-sized (crawl-over) bed, 4-person dinette, dry bath, 4.2CF fridge, 3634# dry, 4500# GVWR, base retail price $51.9K USD ($72.2K CAD)

I guess it's not surprising Escapes are selling so well.
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Donna, Donna… I knew what he meant!

I believe Airstream has not only gone wide, but has even caved to market pressure and offered a slide-out. I saw one in a campground last year.

O, wretched excess!
Actually all of Airstream's trailers 23' and under in length are only 8' wide and their 23' Sport model is only 7' 3" wide.

For comparison purposes the Bigfoot 17.5 is 8' wide Bigfoot 21' is 8' 4" wide. The Escape 21' and 5.0 are 7' 4". Seems to me the smaller airstreams are not as overly wide as has been suggested.


Airstream did make a slide out trailer for a couple of years but that was about ten years ago ;-) I think it was offered on some of the 25' and bigger trailers but they have not made them for several years now. Slide outs add a great deal of weight to the trailers and anyone who has ever had a trailer with a slide out knows that maintaining them is a problem!
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You made me curious, Carol. Here's what I see…
1. Bigfoot 25B21FB: full-sized bed, 4-person dinette, dry bath, 6CF fridge, 4450# dry, 7500# GVWR, base retail price…??? (here's one for $39.5K USD, $55K CAD)
2. Escape 21: full-sized bed, 4-person dinette, wet bath, 6.7 CF fridge, 3140# dry, 4500# GVWR, base retail price $31.8K CAD ($22.9K USD)
3. Airstream Sport 22FB: full-sized (crawl-over) bed, 4-person dinette, dry bath, 4.2CF fridge, 3634# dry, 4500# GVWR, base retail price $51.9K USD ($72.2K CAD)

I guess it's not surprising Escapes are selling so well.
Yup price defiantly gives it the BIG advantage.

But keeping on topic, if one puts the price aside for a minute and starts to go through their got to have list they are very different trailers and may have a short coming or two depending whats on your must have list.

Having been inside all 3 trailers you have listed, each does come up short on my list one way or another. The Airstream sport for example would fall to the bottom of my wants/needs list. It has a pretty nice layout for a week-end warrior but may not be very comfortable for someone looking for a trailer for much longer trips. The table for example can sit 4 but its not going to be very comfortable for at least 2 of the people at the table. It also comes up short in regards to interior and exterior storage compared to some of the other trailers in Airstreams line up in the same size range or smaller. And the other similar sized models offered do not weigh all that much more than their sport model. The Bigfoot also goes to the bottom of my list simple due to its weight!

Everyones must haves and can live with list is going to be different, so at the end of the day we will each purchase what every trailer we think will meet our needs & be most comfortable in.

I simple commented as I happened to agree with the OP that most of the current line up of fibreglass trailers 21' and under do come up short as far as the interior layout comfort/efficient goes when compared to some of the offerings in the same size range by non fibreglass trailer manufactures. And yup I have gone and looked inside a few stickies of 21' and smaller trailers as well ..... wouldn't buy one but it is interesting to compare the interior layouts of similar sized trailers.
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