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Old 07-28-2014, 11:35 AM   #15
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Being a Prepper, seems to be popular these days. It harkens back to early times hundreds and thousands of years ago where people had to be self sufficient. Now-a-days, it is more complicated because we don't raise our own food, we don't "can" foods to lay in a winter store. Store actually meant to store something, while today, stores are supply points for the populace that, in an emergency can fail since they are dependent on just-in-time inventory through the supply chain and transportation process--all of which can be interrupted in an emergency.

During Hurricane Irene, I went to check on my boat--which survived with some damage in an industrial area of Bridgeport. On the way home I decided to stop at McDonald's for a burger for my hungry dog. I noticed the drive through line was very long, so I parked and walked to the door. Just as I got there, they unlocked it. They had been closed until then. I walked up to the counter and as first in line placed my order for one plain double cheeseburger and a cup of water for my dog. I heard a huge commotion behind me. I turned around and there were 30 or more people in line behind me. Looking at the dejected looking faces, I realized that these people depended on McDonald's for food every day--food that I thought was fit for my dog in an emergency. McDonald's meals was their backup plan.

During Hurricane Sandy, Quebec Hydro came down with a fleet of trucks and workers to help restore power. It made me feel woinderful that our neighbors in Canada traveled so far to help out. However, the lowest elevations in Bridgeport were the last served because flood waters impeded work. This was also a poor neighborhood, exclusively black, and these people were throwing eggs at the volunteer utility workers from Canada. I was so embarrassed by this. Even worse, I later learned people were throwing rocks at the utility workers in Manhattan.

Living in Connecticut, near it's largest city, and going through two hurricanes in the last five years, I found it very troubling that so many people live hand to mouth, relying on government subsidies, and then are violent towards the very people who were trying to help them. I suppose going two days without TeleVision will do that to you. Imagine going three days without food. Give it a week and people will be eating each other.

On the other end of the spectrum, Preppers don't expect anyone at all to help them, and put aside money to stockpile (store) food, and fuel. They buy small generators to keep power going for a few lights, the furnace, a refrigerator and TV's. They also buy guns, because they don't want their preps to be ripped off by violent savages who feel they are entitled to take anything in an emergency, and they don't want to eat their neighbors.

The US government feels the same way, with executive orders that give the government power to take anything they like in an emergency--for the common good. It is the Christian thing to help others in need. But at some point it could mean starving yourself to help others, then we enter the shady area where survival conflicts with charitable giving.

So it seems that a camper with a Genset or solar, adequate batteries, and a supply of food is something small enough that it is less likely to be "commandeered" for the public good by the government and mobile enough to be kept (hidden) and used somewhere where an emergency can be ridden out safely. Or used to live in while waiting for an emergency to end.
Well said! I can not add anything to your thread! When I hear the, "words for the common good!" they make me want to cry! I do not mind giving to folks that work for a living and need help! But when the government takes for us and for the common good gives it to the folks that sit around and watch TV!
I CRY! Maybe, the government should take over McDonald's, then they can feed the hungry? I can not think of anything that the government can do any better than the American businessman! I wish that WalMart would take over the government, then I know the government would run more efficiently!
It is a great idea, that I never had given any thought about using a small fiberglass camper in an emergency situation? But, you and Norm make some excellent points!
Dang, I wish I was smart like you guys!


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Old 07-28-2014, 01:27 PM   #16
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I always keep a number of cans of dehydrated water on hand for emergencies. It takes much less space than hydrated water and weighs practically nothing.

Seriously, I think RVers are already far, far, ahead of the average Joe without doing anything special.

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Old 07-28-2014, 01:32 PM   #17
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I understand that the Mormons have gone from one year supply recommendation to two years.

Hmmm, I wonder what they know? And I really need to get some of that dehydrated water, it seems much easier than messing around with a filter.
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Old 07-28-2014, 05:45 PM   #18
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The main reason those bow saw blades fail is not that they lose their edge but they lose their kerf, that is the saw tooth offset left and right. Without that kerf the cut is not wider than the blade so they cut poorly.

You might try laying the blade flat on a piece of wood and using a flat bottom punch to gently tap every other tooth into the wood just a bit to give it an offset. Turn blade over and do the remaining saw teeth. You want half the teeth to go \ and the other half to go /. Some saw blades will only have an angle on the longer teeth with a shorter tooth in between.

I'm using a blade that is 30+ years old and still whips through arm size pieces of firewood. Have touched up the edge with a file a couple of times the kerf at least half a dozen times. Mostly because I made enough cuts that pinched the blade to remove the kerf.

Disaster preparedness is always good to think about. Including pet needs. Medicine, or medical equipment needs are one special area where better safe than sorry applies. Here in Mich. tornado, ice storm or blizzard are what will shut down our just in time grocery, gas and pharmacy habit.

Our basement pantry is also a storm shelter with basic supplies. Note to self check TP supply on hand! Kerosene heater, generator able to run well pump, and Coleman camping stuff should keep us OK for awhile. Think house would be better than camper for most of our situations but can see using the RV battery and camping stuff.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:24 PM   #19
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I carry one of these. It folds so it doesn't take that much space, plus it could be used as a weapon.

On age (or gender) and weapons, wisdom to avoid situations requiring weapons is best defense. I trust my instincts and will leave or avoid that which does not seem "right", even if I'm not sure why.

I find this an unpleasant topic but if it makes people think and be mentally prepared for this kind of situation I know having thought about what to do is the key to survival in most bad situations. Those who locate the exits in a hotel and think about what to do in a fire before one happens are most likely to survive. Same with this.

If one lacks the bulk and strength to intimidate, or the stamina and skill to go several rounds best bet is surprise. Threatening to use a weapon elevates the violence level and if you are not actually intimidating don't threaten just do. Surprise and a willingness to injure threatening person(s) to the point where they are unable to be a threat can be an effective option but requires a certain mindset many do not have.

Cutting someone with a saw (or hitting with a club) will hurt them but if you are not willing to continue to hurt them to the point of incapacitation or death don't go there. Nothing wrong with being unwilling to do extreme violence to someone. You just have to know your own mind and I guess carry pepper spray so you can increase your chances of getting away.

I would guess my ugly mug on top of a couple hundred pounds with a baseball bat in sight would be more likely to intimidate a pair of burglars into leaving than my wife with a hunting knife. She just does not seem threatening. In her case better they never see the knife until it's too late and it's clear to the second intruder that she can and will hurt him just like the first one that grabbed her and now needs an ambulance.

So if you don't scare people then be like the girl being bullied at the school bus stop in my old neighborhood. She was getting pushed, knocked down, and kicked by a group of kids on a regular basis. She did not threaten the biggest bully with the sock full of gravel in her coat pocket, she just hit him upside the head with it when he pushed her for the last time. Surprise! I don't think the fellow ever knew what happened, just that pushing her led to him laying on his back with his bell rung.

I guess my point is don't threaten what you won't do effectively and if your threatening to do it probably won't discourage anyone don't let them know what to look out for in advance.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:34 PM   #20
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Try to poke somebody with that saw and you'll probably end up with nasty knuckles when it folds up on your hand. Guess you could prune an overhanging branch and knock the offender out.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:49 PM   #21
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While I could use the Escape as a "Bug Out" home, where I live requires that your stick & brick can survive without utility supplied electricity - I often powered critical stuff for a week using the car & an inverter. Our local utility (National Grid) was in the habit of presenting us with 2-3 day or even 1 week blackouts), usually in the middle of winter, although after the state fined them they have improved. We heated with wood up until a year ago when it became less expensive to buy natural gas than firewood (and easier on the back!)

Before she passed away, my wife was dependent on an oxygen concentrator, and the inverter didn't quite do it, so I had a 15K natural gas generator with a whole house transfer switch installed. Runs the entire house and then some (I've powered some of my neighbors during blackouts until they got their own generators). I'm set as long as the natural gas lines are working, and still have a cord or two of wood for heat if they go down, and, since it is parked at home, could escape to the Escape!
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:53 PM   #22
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Norm, New Hampshire is a bit more rural isn't it? and, it seems the farther from a city the nicer folks are. I loved going there while stationed at Hanscom AFB. I spent many happy times cross country skiing in New Hampshire and Massachusetts back country.

I would not call myself a prepper but perhaps others would. The last two hurricanes hit us hard. Neither were as bad as the Long Island Express. My yacht club had the high water mark painted on a wall for many years.

Lots of people talk about bug out vehicles. An egg, van, or truck camper would work well. The best is a sailing yacht, because if well outfitted, full fuel tanks could last a year or even more if you needed to stretch it and unlike a camper, I could move it 1600 miles on less than a gallon of fuel--unbeatable as a big out vehicle. I plan to run charters on it so I can earn some money with it too.

I do like being self reliant and I'm tired of Electric Bills which is why I love my solar panels. I am loaded and prepped for another trip up to my boat. I have enough food to last a couple of weeks. I hope I don't run out of boat supplies.

I am thinking about selling most everything I have and moving into a bigger boat once I finish this boat project, and heading someplace warm like Culebra and migrating north and south with the seasons. I could still enjoy the Northeast and Canada, although it will be hard to give up my home. My uncle thinks I should hold onto the camper. I may do that but not if storage costs are too high.

I am a so-so fisherman but that would be something to put food on the table and a new and healthy challenge for me. My goal is to live out my days in harmony with nature and to reach a point where I need only purchase minimal consumables. To get to that point would require dedicating some serious resources-- just about everything I own.

I would enjoy fitting out the boat with solar panels and wind generators. With what I've learned outfitting my camper and living in it these last few months, I already know how I will do that.

My plan is to get a 50' Catamarran and cover the cabin top with 2000 watts of solar, two 600 watt wind generators and a 2400AH lithium battery bank. That should be enough to make all the water I'll need and I can dump the surplus into heating water. Plus I will design a solar hot water system, one for each hull. I should not need diesel except for motoring in the calms or minimal use running a Genset for air conditioning in humid conditions.

I'd like a diesel-jet tender, for reliability, and that would be my "car" to get around running out for supplies and the real fuel consumer. It would also be my tanker for refueling also. I would not have to dock except for annual haul outs. My only worry is finding one light enough to carry. I may have to build my own.

Best of all I would be reducing my bills to just food, fuel, insurance, medical, and maintenance. I will be eliminating many expenses and almost all taxes.

Right now I'm supporting an expensive school system, expensive road construction, and town pensions. Why? I can always choose to move back ashore into a cheaper house in Florida or Charleston at some point when my health fails.

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Old 07-29-2014, 08:04 PM   #23
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If I actually had to bug out then the camper would be a good option. It's just most of the natural disasters where I live would be winter or a tornado, no hurricanes or flooding where I live. I'm pretty sure if the house got hit by a tornado the FG camper next to it would not be all that usable.

For after a tornado I would probably set up the tent in the back yard and make life interesting for any looters that showed up. Probably won't be able to watch tv so looters would be the entertainment you could say.
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Just about everywhere is more rural than Connecticut with twice the population density of China. Even CT has rural portions. We used to lie in the northeast corner, that's where we had our dome home, 35 acres up against a state forest.

One of NH's strength is a low crime rate and it's culture.
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My friend who retired from FEMA likes to say...

"You cannot pick your time of crisis"

"You will only rise to the state of your own preparedness"

"No one will be there for you or your family"

Be ready at all times.

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Probably won't be able to watch tv so looters would be the entertainment you could say.

I hope the need never arises for you to do social work.

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