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Old 01-28-2013, 12:27 PM   #15
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Watch out with the wood. Here in Minnesota we have a lot if Nasty Beasties that hitchhike on the bark.
Same issues in BC. Real bad idea to bring wood from the pine beetle infested area into a none infested area.
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Of course, there's the old stand-by, shower together!

Travelling single you can be a little more flexible with personal hygene. When the skunks give ME a wide berth it's time for a sponge bath.

Running naked in the rain is frowned upon in most campgrounds. Although a soapy streaker has a certain appeal although I'm sure I don't know to who.

Ok, I guess I only had one good idea and it's rapidly devolving from there.
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Of course, there's the old stand-by, shower together!

Travelling single you can be a little more flexible with personal hygene. When the skunks give ME a wide berth it's time for a sponge bath.

Running naked in the rain is frowned upon in most campgrounds. Although a soapy streaker has a certain appeal although I'm sure I don't know to who.

Ok, I guess I only had one good idea and it's rapidly devolving from there.
Who are you calling a Skunk?
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Forego showers altogether- much of the world stays clean by way of several cups of water, a rag, and a bar of soap.

As for campfires (if allowed- I don't know where exactly you're going, but there are restrictions in the backcountry: Anza-Borrega fire rules)

Pres-to logs beat all other kinds of wood for long, clean burning and are perfectly sanitary, bugs-wise. Pound for pound, you'll get a lot more fire from them than from any other hard-fuel source. Not recommended for cooking-on-a-stick, though, so bring along a bag of charcoal, too.

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I enjoyed reading all 17 posts in reply to your OP. Informative and comforting to know i'm among several kindred souls.

On Showering... Cari & I take'em every other day whether we need them or not. It just feels good to climb into bed squeaky clean : ) We are rebels though in that we use one of those 1 gallon garden sprayers with the stock mister head. We fill up a 2 quart kettle with water and dump in sprayer, then boil 2 quarts in same kettle, pour, shake, and then take a luxurious 5 or so minute shower. I actually find myself lollygagging around to finish the water up. Yup you can shower with a 1/2 gallon of water with this set up.

On the non-shower days we just use organic baby wipes from the health food department of our local supermarket. They are unscented and have no chemicals like regular baby wipes.

Washing hair...Well i'm lucky cuz i just shave my head every other day! Cari has a cute short hairdo and will use baking soda now and again to dry-clean her hair. Her hair feels amazingly soft afterward and sort of squeaks. gotta be clean IMO.

On tank fill/empty thingy...Yes on what the others said. Filling the black tank is the weak link in the system. I'll just use our 5'ver as an example (realizing your 19ft has a 19 gallon black tank, but similar water-flush toilet). . . We have a 40 gallon black tank. My wife and i get seven days use out of the tank before i need to dump. I'm guessing you will get a max of four(?) days use before having to either move and dump, OR dump into one of the portable tanks-on-wheels and maybe make a trip somewhere to dump it?? Another way, (and the way we do things in our off-grid rigs) is to use a porta-loo setup. Put some pine-pellets in a bio-bag and do your solids-thingy, then sprinkle some pine-shavings over and seal bag. Then put that into the smallest brown paper lunch bags you can find. Dump as needed. Many of my off-road/grid jeeper/jamborie type acquaintances use kitty litter. Since society is ok with that mode of taking care of the kitty business it is a politically correct solution to an age old issue. The biggest issue will be psychological. THEN simply utilize the built in Thetford for liquids only and your tank should last upwards of a couple weeks, maybe more. AND depending on local regulations you can dump the liquids in the black tank at the same time you dump the liquids in the grey tank because it is a well know fact in agriculture that a ~10:1 ration of Water+Urine makes for a great fertilizer. . . so while the mixture might be a bit more full of minerals (cuz the ratio is off), the desert ground or plant life will still thrive for the most part.

Yes on all the LED lighting gizmos!

Yes on paper plates.

On kitchen ware...You might pick up a skillet with ceramic surface. Pots too! They are great and we use them in all our rigs each day at home or on the trail. All they take is maybe a tablespoon or so of water and wipe with a single paper towel and they are clean. We've never burned anything. They cost a bit more, but are totally natural/organic in nature and a healthy choice over synthetic non-stick cookware.

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AND depending on local regulations you can dump the liquids in the black tank at the same time you dump the liquids in the grey tank because it is a well know fact in agriculture that a ~10:1 ration of Water+Urine makes for a great fertilizer. . . so while the mixture might be a bit more full of minerals (cuz the ratio is off), the desert ground or plant life will still thrive for the most part.

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What???

I presume you're not suggesting that local regulations anywhere permit the dumping of black tanks on the ground...right?

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What???

I presume you're not suggesting that local regulations anywhere permit the dumping of black tanks on the ground...right?..
You are most likely correct. And i agree with not dumping "Blank" yuck from any tank to anywhere other than a proper dump station.

BUT, and this was my point (that i apparently didn't word correctly) :

Lets say you have a sparkling clean black tank (like ours every week after it is dumped and then pressure cleaned by the built in cleaning system after each dump...and NO yuck or poo-pucks remain... NOW, use that tank ONLY for liquid pee. THAT can be dumped into BLM and Forestry land within park regulations (at least in Washington/Oregon state where we camp).

Hope that _cleans_ up any misunderstanding

If a ranger, or even a police officer asks you what you were doing behind that tree and you say going pee or even poop...there are no regulations stopping such action. What they will give a person a ticket for is indecent exposure IF you were seen naked while doing the act. (True story. Hood To Coast Relay participants stop to do their thing even in downtown warrenton and seaside. As long as their body is not seen it is ok to _dump_)
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Thom, that bag 'o poo sure beats the [your word here] out of, say, a composting toilet. However, in time an assault from the "if everyone did that" position will make it go the way of the straddle trench.

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...in time an assault from the "if everyone did that" position will make it go the way of the straddle trench.
I'm in full agreement with that Jack. Nice thing about this method, is there is no way in our society that "everyone" or even ~~20% ?? would do it. It is to archaic and _yucky_ much easier to fill a black tank and then wait in line with a dozen other rigs on a Sunday afternoon at a rest stop heading out of the boon-dock area to dump said yuck (there was sarcasm in my typing.)

And THAT is the very reason my wife put on her thinking cap and came up with our current system. I WAS NOT going to even suggest it! BUT since it came from her mouth i said "Sure honey, sounds like a solution" AH 30 years of happy marriage.

On composting toilets...
I did some research and the closest thing to perfection i found was the separating toilets such as the Air Head.
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OK, clearly, I am not understanding the bag of poo. To me, a composting toilet makes sense. As said before, basically a dehydrator. I understand that dumping the composter can be done fairly infrequently. Though, a second, finishing composter is prudent. The end result is supposedly, dirt. The fact that a vented 5 gallon pail, with a lid is all that is required, also makes this a practical idea. I have even seen a ceramic covered steel, vented container, with a seat, for a 5 gal pail. I just can't find them online. Lots of seats for a 5 gal pail, just nothing with a vent. I just refuse to pay $800 for a pail replacement.
The bag idea makes less sense to me, Does this not result in a large amount / volume of solid waste? How many bags, of each type do you bring? Is the final destination the garbage?
Why do I find myself discussing poo so much?
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I'm not a fan of bulking up solids, either...I can't see making a small mess into a bigger one just to get rid of it!

That having been said:

I'm glad your system works for you, Thom- though I remain skeptical re. blanket permissions from any public lands custodians allowing the dumping of any tanks of human waste of either kind upon the ground! I s'pose there's some logic to assuming that since one can "go" outside provided one doesn't leave nasty toilet paper behind and if possible covers up "solids", I can see where some might think larger quantities must be O.K., too. I think a problem arises when quantities are involved, though.

The preceding having been said, I would suggest that it's simpler to just "go" outside to begin with as much as possible. Since most human beings generate no more than a gallon a day TOPS of "combined output", most of what winds up in a black tank is flushwater anyway, and cutting visits-per-day by half will greatly extend the time between dumps.

Not to mention preserve supplies of fresh water!

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OK, clearly, I am not understanding the bag of poo. . .
Why do I find myself discussing poo so much?
Sure is a pain in the butt topic ! Fact of this 4d life in these silly bodies. I wish all those loonie-toon peeps that said EARTH was going to transform into the 5th dimension after 12/21/12 would have been right!

Yes on the expensive bucket replacement!

You might enjoy the read over at the Ecovita website. They have kits for making one's own separating toilet (like the air head or natures head units).

Here is a picture of their "Privy Kit" :


And they have a fancier plastic seat for the DIY crowd:



I will probably get one of these and incorporate it into our rig(s).
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So, all that is missing from the above setup is a vent to the outside.
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I agree with the _to much_ dump thingy.

That is why when we camp where we camp, we _water_ the plants daily with a ~4:1 mixture of human liquids to grey water. And one or two pooh bags each a day is nothing in the scope of garbage to pack out, OR as the ranger told us, to properly bury since we were using 100% biodegradable items.

Our kitchen sink water is only used to fill shower sprayer and to wet the paper towels to clean our ceramic cookware. NO food stuffs go into grey tank. EVER. The ranger (in Oregon & Washington over 7 seasons of camping) stated that grey shower tank and pee is fine to water the plants. BUT he would cite any camper they found dumping kitchen sink waste with any food particles on the ground.

The most challenging time we will have with our setup is when we visit with the EggFamily during a gathering...We don't camp with hookups! And it will be strange to have a grey tank emptying in real time down a drain (of course our 5'ver is always hooked up but that's _home_)...Not to mention we will have POWER from a cord! What to do
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