Campground cheaters - Fiberglass RV


View Poll Results: Cheating?
Cheating 17 34.69%
Self Preservation 24 48.98%
Quit complaining, at least you get to go 6 12.24%
African, or European? 2 4.08%
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Old 11-03-2006, 09:09 AM   #1
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ugh.

I have a love/hate relationship with my area. In one way, I have the opportunity to camp all year round, in some very varied types of areas, from forest to desert ( not my favorite) Looking at all the winterizing threads, I wipe my brow and say "Phew! Glad I don't have to do that"

On the other hand, there are 5 bizzilion other folks that can say the same thing, right here.

This morning, my commute will include going slightly out of my way to drop my trailer off in a campsite, staking my claim, so to speak, so I will have a spot for the weekend.

There is something that irks me about that, not that you HAVE to in order to get where you want, but it seems a bit like cheating. A cheater, I am not. And it also makes you pay for an extra day.

I dunno, what do you think? Cheating or self preservation?
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Old 11-03-2006, 10:36 AM   #2
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The situation you pointed out is done all the time in my area.It is a very comon practice.I have done it myself on a number of occasions.

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Old 11-03-2006, 10:41 AM   #3
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I suppose it's a matter of degrees. I often rustic camp. No reservations. Dirt cheap. $9 a night.

I'll often take a half day on Friday. Sometimes I'll take Friday off and get there Thursday afternoon/evening. No matter when I get there, someone has taken the choice spots by throwing a cheap popup tent on the site. Sometimes it's just a couple of cheap lawn chairs.

Michigan DNR rules say you must sleep on the site. Every night. I'll be there up to TWO nights with not a soul in evidence. Oh, they've paid for the sites. Two nights there is still cheaper than one night at a electricity provided site.

And I'm supposed to just push their stuff aside on the vaguely vigilante theory that they've not followed the rules? There aren't rangers around until the weekend. And even if the ranger does authorize the eviction, I suspect that won't stop them from harassing me after the fact anyhow.

And for me, only, please take no offense because my rules work only for me and I've already established a somewhat shaky reputation, but for me, it is a little like sinking.... well, never mind.

Oh, I know, I suffer because of scoff-laws. They'll just have to endure my evil-eye. That'll fix 'em.

Sorry, I voted "cheating".
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Old 11-03-2006, 11:55 AM   #4
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It annoys me when someone is arrogant enough to fill a campsite with "stuff" and doesn't use it and by doing so, prohibits someone else from using it who intends to occupy and enjoy it. My opinion is that parked, but unoccupied units should be removed regardless of whether or not the fees are paid. It's not a matter of fee collection, it's a matter of facility and park access by folks who want to use their parks, and are prohibited by other folks who want to use it 'later', but not today. No reservations should mean just that: first come first served. If you can't sleep there, you shouldn't be in the site.

Of course, campgrounds where reservations are allowed are a whole different issue... but even at that, after a certain hour without contact from late arrivals, the sites should be available.

Sorry, Gina.

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Old 11-03-2006, 12:49 PM   #5
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I guess that I am missing something. What does the tent/chairs on the site gain them if they are not ever there? Seems to me they are wasting money and possibly will have their stuff stolen.
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Old 11-03-2006, 01:06 PM   #6
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My opinion is that parked, but unoccupied units should be removed regardless of whether or not the fees are paid. It's not a matter of fee collection, it's a matter of facility and park access by folks who want to use their parks, and are prohibited by other folks who want to use it 'later', but not today. No reservations should mean just that: first come first served. If you can't sleep there, you shouldn't be in the site.
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If a person shows up, pays their fee, and leaves, how do you know what time they will be back to go to bed.

I would be very upset if I came back and someone said, “Well you weren’t here.” and had tossed my stuff and set up their camp where I had paid.

I have had dinner with friends and played cards ’til the wee hours in the morning before heading back to my camp.

I think this could be a bit touchy.
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Old 11-03-2006, 02:04 PM   #7
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If a person shows up, pays their fee, and leaves, how do you know what time they will be back to go to bed.

I would be very upset if I came back and someone said, “Well you weren’t here.” and had tossed my stuff and set up their camp where I had paid.

I have had dinner with friends and played cards ’til the wee hours in the morning before heading back to my camp.

I think this could be a bit touchy.
I didn't say it was appropriate or even reasonable. It's just my opinion. I also recognize it's not enforceable or do-able, except that I've seen many folks drop off their trailers without ever hooking them up, or setting up. Days prior to a long weekend, I've seen campgrounds full with hardly anyone around and no room for any transient RVs to drop in for a night. The campgrounds look like a used RV lot. Pop-ups are left down, door steps up... trailers not plugged in... no leveling, no stabilizer jacks, no lights, no signs of intending to use the site at all, other than the trailer being dropped off there. I think most of us usually recognize some sign of occupancy around sites where folks are actively staying.

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Old 11-03-2006, 02:11 PM   #8
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Our western mountain "cheaters" come in a different form and bother me far more than those who stake out an extra night in the campground. The short-term stakers are not that common here because it's a long climb from homes to camping areas.

In many of the National Forests of Wyoming, "dispersed camping" is allowed and often encouraged. Dispersed camping means you can pull off and camp in non-developed areas. The traditional campgrounds would never have spaces if the dispersed camping was eliminated. On busy weekends in the summer, it can be hard to find even a dispersed spot.

The Forest Service rules limit you to 14 days in one spot. After that you are required to move. Unfortunately, there is no enforcement of this rule what so ever. Thus, many people pull their rigs up into the mountains in the spring and keep them in the same spot all summer. Unlike Gina, who might take up a space for an extra night or two, these folks take the space away from others permanently. Unfortunately there is not much that can be done then for me to give their trailers the heavy duty evil eye when passing.

And Gina, I guess I must say I give the short-timers like you the light duty evil eye when you are using/not using the site I want.

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Old 11-03-2006, 02:47 PM   #9
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I'm with Roger on this one, but checked "Self Preservation", because "Cheating" implies that there is a rule which is being broken. If the rules allow squatting with an RV, taking space that could be used, then doing this is not cheating - it just shows that better rules are needed.

This practice is bad because it means that legitimate visitors from other areas cannot use the facilities, but locals (close enough to run back and forth to the site) get a free extension of their backyard, at public expense. Oh yes, and the retired folks get priority over the working people who can't show up at a campsite on Wednesday to spend the weekend.

A well-managed system would allow advance reservations, by phone or internet so that the camper's home location would not be an advantage. Unused reservations would mean forfeiting a prepaid fee, to keep people from tying up a place which they do not use.

Sorry if this is a little heated. Now I'll stop typing and try to lower my blood pressure...
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Old 11-03-2006, 02:58 PM   #10
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Ok, Gina! NOW you've done it! All of us up-tight and over-wrought folks are going to have apoplectic fits and stroke out over this! SHAME on you for even bringing it up!

Uh... ummm... Can I vote "Cheater" twice?

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Old 11-03-2006, 03:42 PM   #11
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Ok, Gina! NOW you've done it! All of us up-tight and over-wrought folks are going to have apoplectic fits and stroke out over this! SHAME on you for even bringing it up!

Uh... ummm... Can I vote "Cheater" twice?

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I'm with Roger on this one, but checked "Self Preservation", because "Cheating" implies that there is a rule which is being broken. If the rules allow squatting with an RV, taking space that could be used, then doing this is not cheating - it just shows that better rules are needed.

This practice is bad because it means that legitimate visitors from other areas cannot use the facilities, but locals (close enough to run back and forth to the site) get a free extension of their backyard, at public expense. Oh yes, and the retired folks get priority over the working people who can't show up at a campsite on Wednesday to spend the weekend.

A well-managed system would allow advance reservations, by phone or internet so that the camper's home location would not be an advantage. Unused reservations would mean forfeiting a prepaid fee, to keep people from tying up a place which they do not use.

Sorry if this is a little heated. Now I'll stop typing and try to lower my blood pressure...
What's the use in getting heated??? I just had a pace maker installed !!! Well paced is better than well...High blood preasure!!! I voted self pres. I figure if I pay for something and don't use it it is still mine!!! Alf S. North shore of Lake Erie
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Old 11-03-2006, 04:48 PM   #13
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If your in Texas and someone has used their "stuff" to save a campsite, don't move it. We have a "right to carry law" and a large majority of citizens carry whether they have the right or not.
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:14 PM   #14
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There is a price to pay for Cheating/self preservation.Just down the road from my place is a great free campsite which is used all the time.This place always has those people who leave their Units there till they decide to camp.

Well today there are still a number of units parked there waiting for there owners to come.Only problem this time is that we had a early snowfall.Over 3 ft in less that 2 days.Those units are there till spring.No way to get them out with out great expence to themselfs.

By spring they could all be vandalized as no one will be around.
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