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Old 08-17-2014, 06:12 PM   #113
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Darrell,

The first year we attended the Scamp Camp in FL there were two people who had changed their Scamp tires to 14" tires.

The only mod they said they made was to remove the black trim around one wheel well, cut the fiberglass a little, replace the black trim and mount the tires. They claimed no interference with the larger tires.

I had planned the same mod but our 13's worked just fine.
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Old 08-18-2014, 03:45 PM   #114
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Good report Wayne! One thing on the Casita, you're getting a precious 1' more in length! (16 vs 17) Possibly the reason for the added tongue weight?

Rivets:
I want to revisit the Rivets vs Bolts:
I'm the one that replaced my Scamp closet rivets with S/S (Stainless Steel) screws..they will NOT rust. You simply cannot compare fiberglass to steel in reference to how the rivets hold up. FG will fatigue MUCH quicker with any given shifting of the rivet against the fiberglass surface than steel.

I realize there's MANY FG's on the road with rivets. Regardless, I personally had trouble with the two rivets supporting my closet. That area of a Scamp can shift considerably during travel from what Scamp has told me. The bolts allowed me to secure the closet to the roof so now there's little if ANY "shifting" between the two. So far, they're holding up well. And, I would STILL use bolts in this area because of the extra stress applied there-- which is obvious- those are the two that worked loose. I keep a watch on the bulkhead as well. (I have a front bath). So far, the bulkhead rivets are holding up fine. The upper cabinets? They should shift/move with the top of the fiberglass shell because of their size. But remember, my Scamp closet is attached from top to bottom! That's over 6' stretch of technically, a fiberglass support there...hope that makes sense.

Curtains:
You cant really compare the curtains in my Scamp to a preference over the mini-blinds. They're NOT private and that's the main issue. They are private now since I added the Roc-lun. Personally, I think curtains look a bit more "homey" than blinds but that's just my opinion. I'd rather have blinds in the Scamp for the convenience though. Another issue with curtains in the Scamp, if you will look at the window on the side, the side window curtains stand away from the bottom of the window in areas at 2-4"!! You can plainly see down in the Scamp. If you're laying there, you can look up at alot of sky! I secure the bottom of the curtains at night for total privacy. Again, blinds mounted correctly would take care of that issue as well.
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Old 08-18-2014, 04:11 PM   #115
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Hi Darral,

Good to know about the closet area, as I too had to replace there. I used rivets, but with your experience and info you gleaned from Scamp, I'll keep a close eye on it as my closet rivet was leaking there too.

What is Roc Lun? A blackout material? Do you get at a fabric store or something?

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Old 08-18-2014, 04:23 PM   #116
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more on Scamp CURTAINS

For what it's worth Wendy, I like your "Open-mindedness"

The Roc-Lun I bought was from "Jo-Anns". They have an EXCELLENT supply including "room darkening" and "Black-out". If you will look on my Flickr site, I show an alternative to sewing to the curtains! (link at bottom). And here's how that came about....

I bought "room darkening" at first and sewed it to the rear and side curtains. (yes....I did it myself by using my daughter's borrowed Singer ) Wife doesnt sew. (GOOD COOK THOUGH!!) Well, I decided- as you will see in my flickr photos- to do the door a little different because of its size. As you will see, I created a "shade" by taking the roc lun and taping it with "vinyl" clear tape to a 3/8" wooden dowel. You can roll it up and tuck it away at the top behind the curtain!

For what it's worth, we liked this so well, I bought MORE "black-out" and made some for the other windows as well!! The rear windows, I usually tuck it behind the curtains and from the inside, it's invisible. But wow, what a difference it made/makes in the Scamp at night with the "black-out" on the windows. The neat thing is, we can roll these up in the daytime and tuck them ALL behind the curtains or simply lay them up in the rear cabinets. Then you can have some natural light coming through with the room-darkening or light-filtering material I sewed on the curtains...or of course, just open the curtains.

I know this all may sound kinda corny...but hey..it works for us!

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Old 08-18-2014, 05:07 PM   #117
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I think it does not matter which fastener, rivet or bolt as long as one can get it tight. FG will break before either rivet or bolt will. Bolts allow one to put in washer to spread out load (less stress on the hole) but under extreme stress rivet will pull through with less FG damage than pulling a nut or nut and washer through the hole.

On mine the top closet, right at the curve of the roof required a slightly longer rivet than the other attachments through shell to secure cabinets or closet sides. Choice is bolts or getting a longer rivet and cutting tube to length required. On mine these fasteners go into the acorn nuts. I honestly don't recall if I did bolt or rivet for fastener there at the curve of the roof/closet.
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Old 08-18-2014, 05:19 PM   #118
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I needed a longer rivet for the left side as you face closet. Right side was a shorter one!

I do keep an open mind to all of this stuff, especially fasteners. But keep in mind also my trailer was in an accident once and is definitely tweaked some. If I keep on needing to replace the same rivets, you bet your bippy I'd go with SS bolts!

Thank you for the info on the Roc Lun. Something to do over the long winter. Alas, our camping season here will soon be over. Blech...


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Old 08-18-2014, 09:56 PM   #119
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Good report Wayne! One thing on the Casita, you're getting a precious 1' more in length! (16 vs 17) Possibly the reason for the added tongue weight?

Rivets:
I want to revisit the Rivets vs Bolts:
I realize there's MANY FG's on the road with rivets.
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And after forty some years of a dozen makes using rivets effectively, the issue has now been settled for decades.
Remember, I have no dog in the fight since my Scamp is not held together with rivets from the factory.
It took a lot less time to convince most folks that tubeless tires were viable, and with a LOT higher failure rate!
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Old 08-18-2014, 11:38 PM   #120
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Umm just for the record I think the thread is Casita vs. Scamp and don't both use rivets?

As is the case with many things you can't argue with "it works well". That applies to either bolts or rivets. Cleat blocks tabbed in or double wall. Each offers some potential benefit and some possible downside. Cost, weight, ease of repair or.... But in each case "it works". And probably not the top reason on the list of reasons one would purchase a particular model of camper. One does not buy a deluxe scamp to avoid the rivets, one buys it for the wood interior and the layout. Pretty sure having enough cabinets and closets well located trumps how they are attached.

Long, long ago in a land far away (well actually only about 10 miles) I used to go into bars frequented by Harley riders in fairly large numbers. I would be wearing my Triumph or BSA shirt or maybe a jacket with Triumph wings on it. Sometimes a person would comment on the fact that those were not "the wings" generally worn here. I would point out if you don't have pride in what you ride, why ride it. That generally settled the question. I'm pretty sure if a bunch of drunk bikers understand that concept we FGRV owners should have a pretty easy time of understanding why folks have pride in their brand of egg. Now if those had been Honda wings.... I would have been less popular then a sticky trailer at a FGRV rally.
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Old 08-19-2014, 04:54 AM   #121
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I think that Floyd and Roger kind of nailed the rivet issue for an ending of the rivet question in moulded trailers on this thread.
Wasn't the question about the differences to the Scamp and Casita ?
I have enjoyed reading peoples responces to their opinions of them and understand that we all have valid reasons for our choices and they are all good.
For me, after reading many posts about the curved door problems I decided I wanted a flat door. I also liked the side dinette layout because it was the best for us and ended up with a Casita SD 17. If Scamp made a flat door I would have been looking at them also. So bottom line, for me, the maker wasn't an issue as the floorplans and measurments of both are pretty much the same ( I fit in both ) it was the door that made the difference to me.
OK, off my soap box..........next
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Smile Trillium RIP

We like our Trillium because the interior seats, cabinets, everything except the U shelves on both ends are bonded and not attached with through shell fasteners.

We also liked that windows on all four sides open with the jalousie type that don't allow rain in.

I hope that Sidekick will keep the same quality that Trillium tried to maintain, not always successfully.
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