Count the cost(and the intent)

[floyd]

Is the ultimate cost saving decision yet to be made??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-OBV49gvmk

[Raz]

Originally Posted by Kai in Seattle

At 3 AM I got an e-mail for this thread from Raz...but it has never shown up IN the thread. What happened?


Kai

No email from me.

[ShelbyM]

I consider myself to be an environmentalist. I'm proud to support the institutions and policy makers who share my views. I'm happy to claim both moral and intellectual superiority.

[floyd]

Originally Posted by ShelbyM

I consider myself to be an environmentalist. I'm proud to support the institutions and policy makers who share my views. I'm happy to claim both moral and intellectual superiority.

Do you know people who are not proud to support those who agree with them ???

I am an environmental steward as well, but I bet we differ some...especially on that moral and intellectual superiority thingy.

( My Boss gave us both authority and responsibility over the Earth)

[steve dunham]

Originally Posted by floyd

Do you know people who are not proud to support those who agree with them ???

I am an environmental steward as well, but I bet we differ some...especially on that moral and intellectual superiority thingy.

( My Boss gave us both authority and responsibility over the Earth)

It's easy to win a debate when the opposing party is in full agreement with you.
I've made enough mistakes in my life to realize that I am neither morally or intellectually superior to any man / woman.

[ShelbyM]

You guys are too hard on yourselves!

[Kai in Seattle]

Sorry, Raz! It was 3 AM after all...insomnia is a heckuva thing!


HAPPY FESTIVUS, ALL!


This year we're having the Festivus Spanish Rice--for no great reason except that my recipe calls for several vegetables, so it's a complete meal. Paul's busy making it right now! The girls are having Festivus naps before dinner.


BEST
Kai

[Mike Magee]

I'm humble. I would be the first to admit to my faults... if I had any.

[Kai in Seattle]

Just want you all to know that I'm the most humble person I know--and I'm very, very proud of my humility!


Floyd--Silent Running. One of the saddest movies I've ever seen. A heckuva thing to do with Earth's forests ...and pretty bad for camping, since the towing to get there is a bear! Even if you could drive your El Dorado to the moon...they were a lot further out than that!
You'd need a TRILLION dollars worth of ethyl gas!


Merry CHRISTMAS EVE TO ALL--
HAPPY HOLIDAYS! FROELICHE WEINACHTEN! JOYOUX NOEL!
(correct spelling above seems to be optional...)
i
BEST
Kai, Paul, Nimble & Cinder(ella)

[Jann Todd]

Originally Posted by floyd

We look forward to the rallies every year and our favorites often involve friends to our north.
We are now considering a fun trip this Spring to Wisconsin where the rally is in a beautiful place. When considering our visit...

At first glance we are up to $125 for four nights. for a site valued at $13 per night. (assuming that the reservation fee is not per night)

I could not find it on the fee schedule but the last time I went to a Wisconsin Park they charged a $2 per night additional fee for out of state campers.

They also now charge 5% sales tax on all prices, even stickers, which they insist be permanently attached to to my vehicle. There is also an extra $10 fee for stickers for out of state buyers.

.The last two Wisconsin state parks that we stayed in showed no evidence of Mosquito mitigation.
All-in I am looking at possibly as much as $140 dollars for four night's stay with electricity only. Of course that yearly pass is really only good for a few months.
They also charge $25 for a trailpass for bicycling.($50 if we both ride)
A yearly trail pass is a separate fee from a park pass.
All of these fees have proposed increases and are expected to rise.
Wisconsin public lands have effectively been made off limits to out of state visitors. It could be worse, you could visit Michigan.
In both of these states, many private campgrounds offer better facilities and better values without the ridiculous arcane fee schedules.

If we would go to Wisconsin for one day to ride a bike path and stay overnight at a state park(with the hope of returning)the cost would be over $115.
While a parkpass does not allow trail access, you must also have one to park at the trailhead... in addition to the trailpass.

I have used conservative figures, since I found articles which reflected higher fees in some cases. If we decide to go to a place where we are welcomed by friends but shunned by the host state, I will report back on the actual figures upon my return.

We no longer go to Wisconsin because of their fees. We used to go about every other year when our daughter lived there, but when we had to pay $5 more for a day pass than residents to go to a state park we decided no more. It was about $15 for the day if I remember correctly. Camping a whole lot more. They are a very anti-tourism state with their high fuel costs usually about 20 cents more than neighboring states and park fees. We can camp in a private park for half of a state park and have full hookups and security. That is what we did last year when we went through WI to see the USS Cobia Museum. In TN the state park entry fee was free when we went and camping was $25.

[Jon Vermilye]

I may have missed a previous post that mentioned it, but for those that haven't heard, the cost of the lifetime US National Park Senior Pass is going from $10.00 to $80.00 sometime in 2017. The change made it through congress & was signed by the president...

[Glenn Baglo]

Originally Posted by Jon Vermilye

I may have missed a previous post that mentioned it, but for those that haven't heard, the cost of the lifetime US National Park Senior Pass is going from $10.00 to $80.00 sometime in 2017. The change made it through congress & was signed by the president...

Was that confirmed as being true? I thought there was some question and that it might be just another bogus internet report.

[Cathi]

I can't find anything to be sure. I see one apparently reliable site saying that the president has signed it but the question is where that person's information came from.

[Raz]

Seems to be true.

Cost of National Parks Lifetime Pass Increases - AARP

[redbarron55]

Thanks to the moderator for deleting the political comments.
I get too much of that almost every where else.
Lets camp more and politic less

[alan H]

Totally agree

Why is it lately or is it just me but it seems a lot of topics end up going down that rabbit hole

Thanks again to the moderators



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[steve dunham]

Originally Posted by Jann Todd

We no longer go to Wisconsin because of their fees. We used to go about every other year when our daughter lived there, but when we had to pay $5 more for a day pass than residents to go to a state park we decided no more. It was about $15 for the day if I remember correctly. Camping a whole lot more. They are a very anti-tourism state with their high fuel costs usually about 20 cents more than neighboring states and park fees. We can camp in a private park for half of a state park and have full hookups and security. That is what we did last year when we went through WI to see the USS Cobia Museum. In TN the state park entry fee was free when we went and camping was $25.

Plus the Wisconsin park sticker / entrance sticker is only good for that calender year not for one year after the date is was issued as in many states .
If you buy a park sticker on November 1st of 2016 it expire on Dec 31st of 2016 or a total of two months and the fee is not prorated.

[Raspy]

Originally Posted by redbarron55

Thanks to the moderator for deleting the political comments.
I get too much of that almost every where else.
Lets camp more and politic less

I agree. Thanks

[BillE]

I would love to camp but...It's January....and 16 degrees

[floyd]

Dr. Spock was once credited with being an authority on raising children.
It seems that the last couple of generations have succeeded beyond all expectations.
My grandfather taught me that we aught to be raising adults instead.
I miss him some days!
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We head south in a couple of weeks, hope the roads are clear!