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Old 01-04-2017, 01:02 PM   #99
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"America The Beautiful" pass doesn't provide 50% discount at NPS, NFS, BLM and COE camp grounds.
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Old 01-04-2017, 01:37 PM   #100
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Sid, both the America the Beautiful pass and the Senior pass provide free admission to many federal properties. The latter also usually entitles the bearer to a fifty percent discount on camping fees.

We camped over thirty nights at Cape Hatteras National Seashore or Great Smoky Mountains National Park last year so, even though there's no entrance fee at either, it saved us well over $300.
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Old 01-04-2017, 02:17 PM   #101
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"America The Beautiful" pass doesn't provide 50% discount at NPS, NFS, BLM and COE camp grounds.
We camp quite a bit in Superior National Forest campgrounds and they do offer a 50% discount. I just called them to verify. A couple of exceptions do exist like Denali national park but those are few and far between.
As always call ahead to be sure.
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Old 01-04-2017, 07:03 PM   #102
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On our last trip to the Grand Canyon, I used my Senior Pass to get in free and camp for 1/2 price.
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At $10 The Senior Pass is a gift of respect to the parents of a nation grateful for the reciprocal gift of the parks themselves.
At $80 The Senior Pass becomes merely a discount rate offered to the patrons who will likely have the lowest impact. (A grudged token of obligation)
I would not bother to buy one at the new rate for a couple of reasons.
I live east of the Mississippi where there are only ten parks compared to 49 west of it.
The Jewel of the East " Great Smoky Mountains" still has free admission.
We can seldom afford the time or expense of an RV trip to the far West, where the vast majority of National Parks reside, so it would take many years to financially justify the purchase of the Pass.
It would be impossible of course to justify the purchase based on supporting the Park system, since every visit would show support and at a higher rate.
Think about it, though: an $80, one-time fee for a lifetime of access. It's well worth having just on the off chance that you'll get to visit 4 or 5 places that take the senior pass during the remainder of your life. (Hopefully that will be a long period of time!)
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Thanks for the info Sid. This may be like the "campfires prohibited" interpretation. Sometimes our propane Campfire in a Can is OK and others its not. We've even been told different things at the same campground during the same stay. And, as you suggest, calling ahead is probably the best policy. I did a bit more research and came up with this and, since its on the internet, it must be true:

There are five different Federal passes>>>>>> https://www.recreation.gov/marketing...ass_Series.htm

Excerpt from above What is NOT covered by the Annual Pass?
The Annual Pass does not cover Expanded Amenity fees such as camping, boat launching, parking, special tours, special permits or ferries.

Also, some facilities and activities on Federal recreation lands (including those mentioned above) are managed by private concessionaires. The concessionaires charge for their services as any private company does and the Pass is not valid for their services.


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Think about it, though: an $80, one-time fee for a lifetime of access. It's well worth having just on the off chance that you'll get to visit 4 or 5 places that take the senior pass during the remainder of your life. (Hopefully that will be a long period of time!)
We each have spent the $10 and well worth it!
Think of it... a glance at the mortality tables will tell you that the average person will have a 14year "lifetime" left at the time of purchase at 62.
So maybe 10 years of traveling. That likely means on average, one or two actual uses of the pass, which for a couple is $160.
For those of us ( who realize your hope) the Pass may still a deal at $80 each, but for most it will end up being more costly than paying without it.
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We each have spent the $10 and well worth it!
Think of it... a glance at the mortality tables will tell you that the average person will have a 14year "lifetime" left at the time of purchase at 62.
So likely 10 years of traveling. That likely means on average, one or two actual uses of the pass, which for a couple is $160.
For those of us ( who realize your hope) the Pass is still a deal at $80, but for most it will end up being more costly than paying without it.
Last summer we saved well over $160 before July 1st. In August we went west, visited 8 national parks and stayed in numerous federal campgrounds at 1/2 price (about $10/night). We saved a lot of money. We own a camper to go camping.
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Floyd, I'm not sure why you're not placing any value on the half price camping benefit or assuming both partners need to buy the pass. For convenience, Cindy and I bought in at the $10 price but, other than one instance, we've never had to show both to get a price break.

Even at $80 apiece for two, we'd easily cover the $160 cost by Memorial Day of each year. Our two most visited campgrounds are Frisco at Cape Hatteras NS ($28/night) and Smokemont in Great Smoky Mtn NP ($17-$20/night), so two weeks more or less and we're good.

I have no idea how frequently the members here camp on Federal lands that honor the Senior Pass. Maybe a good subject for a poll?


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Floyd, I'm not sure why you're not placing any value on the half price camping benefit or assuming both partners need to buy the pass. For convenience, Cindy and I bought in at the $10 price but, other than one instance, we've never had to show both to get a price break.

Even at $80 apiece for two, we'd easily cover the $160 cost by Memorial Day of each year. Our two most visited campgrounds are Frisco at Cape Hatteras NS ($28/night) and Smokemont in Great Smoky Mtn NP ($17-$20/night), so two weeks more or less and we're good.

I have no idea how frequently the members here camp on Federal lands that honor the Senior Pass. Maybe a good subject for a poll?


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I am glad to have the Pass and the half price camping benefit is the primary reason to own one.One stay at a COE facility has paid for our passes. Federal facilities are sparse in the East and so most camping must be in state and private facilities.
I love the Smokys and have visited many times. Admission is free to the park and we stay at private campgrounds with better facilities closer to the activities, then take day trips into the park.
If you camp at half the 20 dollar rate it, two weeks would save $140 which is twenty dollars short of the 160 dollar cost of passes for a couple. Still a good deal, but it is always good to weigh your options against your needs.
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My wife and I each bought a senior park pass when we turned 62 at a cost of $10 each. We have used it on a few occasions and I will admit we have gotten our money's worth out of the pass . At the upgraded price of $80 , I am not sure if we would purchase the pass and definitely would not purchase two at a cost of $160.
A large part of Northern Minnesota / Wisconsin is NFS land but we seldom if ever camp in unimproved campgrounds .
Because it doesn't work for us does not mean it can't work for others.
We live in a forested area on a lake so the idea of camping in the middle of the woods on NFS land and staring at trees has little appeal for us. We can stay home and see better scenery.
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My wife and I bought the senior park pass when we turned 62 at a cost of $10 each. We have used it on a few occasions and I will admit we have gotten our money's worth out of the pass . At the upgraded price of $80 , I am not sure if we would purchase the pass and definitely would not purchase two at a cost of $160.
A large part of Northern Minnesota / Wisconsin is NFS land but we seldom if ever camp in unimproved campgrounds .
Because it doesn't work for us does not mean it can't work for others.
We live in a forested area on a lake so the idea of camping in the middle of the woods on NFS land and staring at trees has little appeal for us. We can stay home and see better scenery.
Remember that at the entrance station to parks that charge, they usually check the pass holder's driver's license to make sure it is the pass holder. You cannot use each other's pass if you need to reenter the park after shopping, hiking, etc, so the pass holder must be in the vehicle.

Even at $160.00 for two passes, all it takes is one trip to the southwest & the magnificent national parks in the area for you tol save money when visiting & camping in the facilities that honor them.
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What other products would you celebrate a 700% increase in one jump as if it were wonderful.
A few years ago IllAnnoy raised the price of a vehicle Title by a 1000% in one increase.
I bought a new utility trailer kit afterwards and the Title cost more than the trailer. I still benefited from the purchase and was glad of it, just not as much as the DMV.
Since I do Pro Bono work on vehicles I see people on minimum wage having to buy more than one car in a year, title tax and license is often more than the price of the car.
My point of all this rambling is that those increased fees are small for me if I buy a new car every 10 or 15 years, but I am sympathetic those who must meet them and struggle.
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No one is celebrating. It is what it is. The point is that even at $80 for those that would use it, it's still a great deal. And there are many, many federal camp grounds in the east, even in Illinois. But you are quite correct if they are not somewhere you would chose to stay then the cost is too high.
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