After looking at Ron's good write up and then reading this thread I'd like to make some observations. I met Mr. Oliver
some time ago in Tennessee at the Townsend Rally
when he appeared with 2 prototype units (one even had storage drawers built into the frame). I had my new Escape
19 then and both he and Robert toured it to see the "competition".
I suggested that the heat be ducted to the bath area as the bath in the 19' was cold. My 19 had the heated pads and winter package and I had camped that January down to 5 degrees in W.Va.. It was then I found the Escape
door had not been insulated and as a result ETI now insulates the door as well as using a double pane window in the door. The 12v pads worked fine but with the heater on and a heated water hose they were not needed. When ordering my new Escape
I dropped that option. With the cold bath issue, ETI now makes the door smaller which allows the heat and air to circulate better into the bath area.
By far having the heat duct in the bath is a better solution, but ETI does not use a ducted heater. In addition with ducted heat, Oliver
like Airstreams and Bigfoot
and Lance have heated underbodies where the water and waste tanks are located, thus they are protected as long as the heater is in operation, other wise the trailer needs to be winterized for protection.
My Escape 21 weighs "wet" at 3800 lbs at the axle
and 500 lbs tongue weight
for a total 4300 pull, with the Oliver
standard dry weight
of 4600# adding options and your stuff will probably put the wet Oliver at 5300#. Ron's shipping weight
was 5300# without his stiff but he has some extra options that add some weight. I feel one can option the Oliver to come in around 5100 lbs which is about 1000# more than the Escape.
This added weight is comprised of the heavier frame, the larger wheels and tires
and axles as well as shocks and electric jacks plus the additional length. The extra insulation on the Escape (foam) adds close to 100 lbs which is comparable to the arctic insulation on the Oliver. The extra shell vs the wood inside the Escape can be part of the weight difference. What does this mean, the Oliver is narrower and a little more aerodynamic that the Escape so does the extra weight mean worse gas mileage, or does the narrower,slimmer shape help, unknown until both can be verified.