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Old 11-03-2014, 06:13 PM   #71
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Cool. How do you carry that yak with you?

We used to take our yak camping, but it was too much trouble and people would point and laugh at us. Now we just leave him out in the pasture.
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Old 11-03-2014, 06:15 PM   #72
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We used to take our yak camping, but it was too much trouble and people would point and laugh at us. Now we just leave him out in the pasture.
LOL. If you leave him home, then how are you to make those summer sweaters?
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Old 11-03-2014, 06:19 PM   #73
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Oh my we have a "commodian" in our midst.
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Old 11-03-2014, 06:30 PM   #74
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This is a picture of ours taken in the pasture behind our house in Mississippi. His name is Yakkity. He usually won't talk back.
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Old 11-03-2014, 06:31 PM   #75
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Ron, I put in "Oliver four-season" and "Oliver winter" and anything but such info comes up. I had asked if anyone had experience using an Oliver in winter and no one has answered. Also looked some on the blog for that and have not seen any such posts to know if anyone has ever used it in actual cold weather. Do you know of anyone who has?

Thank you for the info. I take it there is a big space between the bottom hull and the top hull and floor. The sound advantage of ours seems great also so there is no way for me to know if it is better in an Oliver. The Oliver tanks being between hulls certainly seems very good especially with the heaters in there also. Whose windows? Ours has fiberglassed points for the cabinets, I believe, so that may be similar but someone else would know more on that.

Thank you, Rob. So many things to look at. It all helps.

Hellsbay, yours looks gorgeous and it must be a few years old now. Two awnings is a good idea.
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When I get my Oliver, I plan to do a very thorough video review, so that may shed some light on things. I also have a sound meter to test my theory on the quietness of the interior.

I'm open to ideas on an actual measure for the insulation value. R-value of the insulation material is not a good indicator of the effectiveness of this wall "system". I'll be picking up my unit in the dead of winter, so there will be ample opportunity to report on how effective it is.
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But can you mount him on one of those Thule Racks is what I want to know. Sure looks like the Mississippi I know, no doubt about.

You sure you haven't been down in that basement wine cellar all day? Just sayin'

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This is a picture of ours taken in the pasture behind our house in Mississippi. His name is Yakkity. He usually won't talk back.
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Old 11-03-2014, 07:10 PM   #78
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When I get my Oliver, I plan to do a very thorough video review, so that may shed some light on things. I also have a sound meter to test my theory on the quietness of the interior.

I'm open to ideas on an actual measure for the insulation value. R-value of the insulation material is not a good indicator of the effectiveness of this wall "system". I'll be picking up my unit in the dead of winter, so there will be ample opportunity to report on how effective it is.
The air space is worth plenty on the insulation value. Maybe someone who makes the material used in Olivers can tell you that R-value to start with but as you say, there is more to it than that. The R-value on ours is low and yet it works very well.

Will be interested in whether you can video anything to do with tanks and lines and insulation.
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Oliver insulation

For all those concerned here is a link to the company that supplies the insulation layer for the Olivers. The company is Prodex and it is widely used in the Marine industries and other areas. I am not sure which of the two Oliver uses however.

http://www.prodexcr.com/descargas/23...0%20INGLES.pdf

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You are a builder more or less. Do you think the double hull has an advantage over single (other than insulation in between)?
Is there any reason to consider the Oliver a four-season trailer moreso than an Escape (besides where tanks are --- I don't know location in Olivers but the fresh in an Escape as you know has been moved under bed if wanted). Is there anything about the location of lines that would make the Oliver better or location of anything else for winter?

More or less? Don't tell my customers that.

My thought is the double hull offers many advantages, the insulation, and enclosed water tanks, as you elude too. There is also lots of added strength to it. It does however, add weight. Whether or not one likes the gloss white interior of the shell is just a personal choice.

Escape with the added insulation, and dual glazed windows, plus the added insulation you can get underneath, makes it a 4 season unit, but to use the water systems you would have to be plugged in with tank heaters.

I would definitely consider the Oliver better for winter use.

It is great that we have these different choices, each offering different options, and keeping these manufacturers on top of their game to stay competitive in their own ways.
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Ron, I put in "Oliver four-season" and "Oliver winter" and anything but such info comes up. I had asked if anyone had experience using an Oliver in winter and no one has answered.

I'm sorry Cathi, I thought I had responded to your post last night with a rather lengthy answer. Turns out I answered that exact same question over on the Oliver forum. Maybe this will help.

Since ALL of the 23 footers have hit the road since about March of this year no one has had a winter during which to use them. That's why you won't find any hard data about wintertime use to help you. But, I believe I can extrapolate using my experience with it in the hot and humid weather of the deep South. I always found that the interior of the trailer was some 10 degrees cooler than the outside temperature this past summer. I can only attribute that to a combination of the insulation used, the air space between the twin hulls and the tightness of the entire unit.

On a side note, we camped for a week in Arkansas earlier this month. It was cold and it rained every day. There were mornings that it was downright chilly. We would turn the basement furnace on for a few minutes while showering and getting dressed and I can attest to just how quiet the furnace is and to how warm it got. That vent in the bathroom sure is nice. I know that's not like it might be if the temps had been in the teens instead of the forties and fifties but I have no doubt that the Oliver's heating system could have handled it. In addition, we had little to no condensation on the walls, there was some on the windows but not enough to run off, puddle and cause a problem.

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I take it there is a big space between the bottom hull and the top hull and floor. <snip> The Oliver tanks being between hulls certainly seems very good especially with the heaters in there also.
It takes four fiberglass shells to build the Oliver, two inner shells and two outer shells. The lower outer shell is first bolted to the aluminum frame. Some of the electrical wiring, all the plumbing lines, and the holding tanks are placed inside and the connections are made. Next the” inner bubble” is created by the bonding of the upper and lower inside shells. Inside the “bubble” created by these two shell are molded the seats, counters, cabinets and the recess for the floor tiles. At this time, all appropriate holes are cut into the “bubble”, the cabinets are finished off with their lighted interiors and doors, more electrical wiring is added and connected and the “inner bubble” is lowered inside the waiting lower outer shell. Plumbing connections are made in the kitchen and bath areas, wiring is connected to the lower areas and the upper outer shell is affixed to cap it all off.

Once again, I apologize. I really thought I had answered and it had disappeared into the Ozone. Darn senior moment.
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Jim, I thought that "more or less" would get you. I wasn't sure exactly what you are doing or if you still are or what. Okay, builder extraordinaire.

You are saying the Oliver is much better for winter use.
I take it you mean as built vs. the standard Escape build. With the foam and especially the tank heaters, I don't know what would be any different as far as use in winter.

Off the grid would be a difference, I guess, but do not know how many amps or if impossible to use tank heaters off of solar. I know one person who did not think that is possible.

It is difficult to tell without anyone actually relating any such experiences. There must be some folks who have done it. Thanks for your input.
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Steve, thank you for the info on the shells and all. It is difficult to visualize. On the frame, would winter salt be a problem?

Do Olivers have a low-point drain?

I realize it would only be 17's answering on winter use. Wonder who has been out then.

Thanks for the info.
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Steve, thank you for the info on the shells and all. It is difficult to visualize. On the frame, would winter salt be a problem?

Do Olivers have a low-point drain?

I realize it would only be 17's answering on winter use. Wonder who has been out then.

Thanks for the info.
We had one of the original 17's. It did not have the same level or kind of insulation they are using now. The worst night we ever spent in it was a snowy, sleety (is that even a word?) night on the Colorado-Kansas border. We had power that night so we used the heat strips in the A/C. The temp was at or just below freezing and we stayed very comfortable, we did not run the furnace. I realize that's an apples to oranges comparison but it's all there is right now.

I have a drain in both the cold lines and the hot lines.

I read a really good thread concerning salt and frames. I don't remember whether it was here or maybe over on the Escape forum.

I have tons of pictures that I took during the construction of our trailer from the ground up. I'll try to post some of them over the next few days
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