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Old 11-18-2013, 06:12 PM   #1
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Do we have an rv or a trailer??

It takes government bureaucracy to determine the answer. Thank you for using Recreation.gov for your camping needs. It is my pleasure to assist you today.
A “standard site” will accommodate 1 RV/trailer/wheeled camping unit with 1 tent, or if there is not an RV/trailer/wheeled camping unit on the site, it will accommodate up to 2 tents. An “RV only” site will only accommodate 1 RV/wheeled camping unit (no tents allowed) and “Tent only” will usually accommodate up to 2 tents unless specified otherwise. I hope this information will assist your further.


But this does not define trailer vs recreational vehicle. To which An RV is one large motor vehicle for camping with facilities for sleeping and eating, whereas a trailer is a vehicle that is towed by another vehicle.
Furthermore a travel trailer “Trailers can also be used to carry other equipment such as boats or off road vehicles, etc. The difference in sites when searching will mainly be the size of the site based on the type of equipment you are camping with and if more space is needed for more then one vehicle. If your camping unit (regardless of RV/Trailer/pop-up etc.) is a “wheeled” camping unit, meaning it is on wheels, you may reserve a Standard site, or a trailer site. Most of the Standard Sites will allow up to two other vehicles on the site, aside of your camping unit. RV-only site is considered one unit and no tents are allowed on these sites.

So there you have the official definition. Now my next question is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable?
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Old 11-18-2013, 07:00 PM   #2
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Yes.
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Old 11-18-2013, 07:17 PM   #3
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Rv's have an engine and transmission, trailers are open platforms with wheels like a landscapes use, caravans are enclosed trailers setup to camp/live in.

I agree they don't see a size difference and they should. I saw one campground that my ParkLiner would cost more then my friends larger pop-up. That makes sense lol
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If the gummint says so, it must be true! :R But I suspect that the person who crafted the definition wasn't much into camping. Most camping type people would consider a travel trailer to be a type of RV, I think.
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Old 11-18-2013, 08:10 PM   #6
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Well it sounds like they got it right. If one looks up the definition of Vehicle most definitions suggest a Vehicle needs an engine to be a vehicle regardless of whether or not it is a Recreational Vehicle or not.

No really argument on the Tomato either, Scientifically speaking, a tomato is definitely a fruit as it develops from a flower.
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Who cares as long as you use it?
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RV stands for Recreation Vehicle.
And since my trailer is a vehicle I recreate in, it therefore is an RV.

ve·hi·cle [vee-i-kuhl or, sometimes, vee-hi-]
noun
1.
any means in or by which someone travels or something is carried or conveyed; a means of conveyance or transport: a motor vehicle; space vehicles.
2.
a conveyance moving on wheels, runners, tracks, or the like, as a cart, sled, automobile, or tractor.

Ever been to an RV show, all shapes and forms of trailers and motorhomes are there.

I do kinda like the European/Assie/Kiwi term of caravan for a trailer, it gives some kind of gypsy persona to it.

edit: Man, I just typed a load of trivial nonsense there, eh?
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Who cares as long as you use it?
Thinking outside the box again?

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Who cares as long as you use it?
Best answer yet.
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try being a camphost and explaining some of this silliness to people while keeping a straight face.

The term "wheeled camping unit" is used to specifically classify a camping trailer. This weeds the word "trailer" out of the mix and gives a definition and exemption for other types of trailers.

By far, the biggest payment complaint folks have concerns extra vehicles. The basic concept of paying for the extra vehicle has nothing to do with the space it occupies, it has to do with WHAT is occupied in it. NOR does it have anything to do with concessionaires wanting to line their pockets, contrary to certain belief. In most forests, it's a gubmint requirement..we are the face in front collecting, so WE get the bad rap. (We do have, however, the authority to charge a higher rate than the gubmints specified minimum, which varies between forests. And yep, THAT has to do with profit making)

The gubmints generalization is that each vehicle carries "X" amount of people on average..so, adding another vehicle adds that mystery # of people who then make a bigger impact on resources and site wear. I call this the Toilet Paper Tax.

Great theory, rarely the case, however. Most times you have 2 or 3 people per car, and the site allowance is 6. So what happens is site #1 has 6 people that all came in the same car. They pay 20 bucks for the site. Site #2 has TWO cars, with 3 people in each, but they pay 25 bucks..because they came in two cars. (20 for the site, 5 for the extra vehicle) It pays to carpool folks.

Motorhomes vs. Trailers or other "towed vehicles". More goofiness. Your car and trailer are considered 1 vehicle. They came in attached to each other and are considered a single entity. Same with utility trailers, boat trailers etc, no matter what they are hauling. If you have a motorhome and "toad" (Towing your car) it is also one vehicle. BUT..the car HAS to be towed in. If your spouse DRIVES the car behind your Motorhome..kaching! 5 bucks for the extra vehicle.

Don't get me started on motorcycles vs. trikes vs. bicycles (YES! There are rules on those too!)

BTW, if any camphost tries to charge you for your camping trailer as an extra vehicle, walk them over to the fee board and find the section in the codes specifically dealing with this issue. MANY camphosts get this wrong..they use misguided logic..but it IS written there on the rules and codes board in every federal facility.
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Wow, um where and why did all this start? Was someone looking at National Park Sites?
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When you go to several state park websites , enter your data and click on trailer sites You will be told nothing is available but reenter your data and click on RV sites and there are numerous sites to reserve . You can even enter a specific site # and get the same results, so evidently there is a difference in some ones mind between a 35 ft truck and trailer and a 35 ft RV
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Great Tip Steve! I will try that. Living in Florida we never get to camp when the weather is nice b/c we dont have the luxury of booking a year in advance with kids and school calendars, sports, Scouts etc so maybe we can slip in somewhere occasionally trying your method.

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When you go to several state park websites , enter your data and click on trailer sites You will be told nothing is available but reenter your data and click on RV sites and there are numerous sites to reserve . You can even enter a specific site # and get the same results, so evidently there is a difference in some ones mind between a 35 ft truck and trailer and a 35 ft RV
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