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Old 08-08-2013, 12:33 AM   #57
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Some campgrounds do explicitly forbid unattended dogs, even inside RVs. I assume that the concern is with barking.

On the other hand...
I did a Google search for "us national park pet regulations", and read the rules as published by the National Park Service for the first two parks which appeared:
Pets - Glacier National Park
Pets - Yosemite National Park
Neither of these sets of rules would disallow leaving a pet unattended inside an enclosed RV.
The Yosemite site lists a kennel in the area.

Shenandoah (Pets - Shenandoah National Park) has somewhat ambiguous rules, but encourages pets and says "pet-friendly lodging is available."

The pet page for Gateway (Pets - Gateway National Recreation Area) doesn't describe rules for pets within the campground, but it does link to Code of Federal Regulations, Title 36, Section 2.15 "for more information on rules regarding pets in national parks".

I see nothing in the individual park rules or the federal regulation which globally prohibits leaving a pet inside an RV, even unattended.
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Some campgrounds do explicitly forbid unattended dogs, even inside RVs. I assume that the concern is with barking.

On the other hand...
I did a Google search for "us national park pet regulations", and read the rules as published by the National Park Service for the first two parks which appeared:
Pets - Glacier National Park
Pets - Yosemite National Park
Neither of these sets of rules would disallow leaving a pet unattended inside an enclosed RV.
The Yosemite site lists a kennel in the area.

Shenandoah (Pets - Shenandoah National Park) has somewhat ambiguous rules, but encourages pets and says "pet-friendly lodging is available."

The pet page for Gateway (Pets - Gateway National Recreation Area) doesn't describe rules for pets within the campground, but it does link to Code of Federal Regulations, Title 36, Section 2.15 "for more information on rules regarding pets in national parks".

I see nothing in the individual park rules or the federal regulation which globally prohibits leaving a pet inside an RV, even unattended.
Within the past year I've been in at least 4 National Parks. All state in their rules pets are not to be left "unattended" at anytime and specificity not left in a vehicle or an RV. Granted those are only the Western National Parks and enforcement is certainly different for different parks. Much of the enforcement is left up to campground hosts. If the campground host has a dog, most rules will not be enforced. The only exception is picking up after your dog.
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Old 08-08-2013, 12:48 AM   #59
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Within the past year I've been in at least 4 National Parks. All state in their rules pets are not to be left "unattended" at anytime and specificity not left in a vehicle or an RV. Granted those are only the Western National Parks...
So rules do vary by park, in contrast to the global declaration in the guide linked earlier. Regional trends like this are good to know about - helpful for those planning travel or deciding if travelling with their dog is practical.
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So rules do vary by park, in contrast to the global declaration in the guide linked earlier. Regional trends like this are good to know about - helpful for those planning travel or deciding if travelling with their dog is practical.
Quoting from my earlier link. "While pet regulations may vary somewhat from park to park, the standard policy in most national parks is that pets must be leashed or physically restrained at all times and pet leashes may be no longer than six feet in length. In addition, pets may not be left unattended, tied or physically confined."

I agree that it would be a good idea to know what the rules are before heading out to any National Park. Some allow dogs on some trails. Some don't. One of the one I was at allowed dogs on one trail the circled the campground, leashed of course. (Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument). All the ones I was at indicated in the rules that pets are not to be left unattended any place.
Practically speaking if you want to keep peace with your neighbors, keep you pet on a 6' leash, clean up after it, and keep it from barking and or fighting with other dogs.
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I know what you mean, but these acts of denial are evident in many aspects of life. How many drivers that think they are perfect drivers are in fact much less so?

I know it is easier for those in charge to make rules based on the behaviour of the worst dogs. It is unfortunate that the rules can't be tuned to deal with the ones guilty of the bad behaviour.
I think it boils down to the majority not following rules, and not having the park manpower to deal with it.

They were making their rounds every 1-2 hours, it was non-stop for them between the camps and trails.

As a non-dog example, signs everywhere, and the trail maps clearly said NO BIKING on all the trails, except one paved one. However, bikes were all over the trails. I waved the ranger over on one of his rounds and asked him about it. He let out a sigh, said no, you weren't supposed to, no, they didn't want you to, but they didn't have enough people to deal with it, so I could if I wanted.

I thought that was crappy at first, but he explained it was due to kids with poor coordination, and guys trying to be the next lance armstrong running into people, with the trail being 6' from a big river. Fair enough, that made sense.

I declined and stuck to the roads, I wasn't going to be "that guy". I bet I saw 10-20 bikes an hour go right by the sign, though. Pretty soon, bikes will be banned, period. I don't blame the park, they're doing the best with what they have. I blame the jerks that can't play the game, and ruin it for everybody else.

One person overhead our conversation and went and told his wife/gf, and kid, "hey, we can ride on the trails". Way to teach your kid how to be a good citizen, sir.
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I'm pretty sure this beagle can ride a bike.
Do you want her?
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Boy do I hear everyone on this thread! I too will be traveling with my two well-behaved dogs and share these concerns. First, though, I'd like to apologize for and chastise the less conscientious dog owners out there - they pretty much ruin it for the rest of us. I carry extra bags to pick up THEIR dogs' waste, and my dogs are always leashed and well-trained.

Before I travel I do as much research as possible and try to locate doggie day care centers and dog-friendly visiting spots. It isn't easy and a major commitment. If it's hot and I need to go shopping, I wait until it's night and cooler, or I do without. Essentially if you wouldn't leave a kid in the car, you can't leave your dog there. In an emergency, I wet them down or put wet bandanas around their necks, park in the shade, windows down and fan going, and I HURRY.

It would be great if we could start compiling a kind of "master list" of dog-friendly places, day cares, emergency vets and so on. How do we do it?

By the way - Chicago is one of the most dog-friendly places I've been. Most outdoor cafes welcome them, and if a pub doesn't serve food, pups are welcome.

Look forward to more on this.

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For those that travel with dogs, the Rand McNally GPS for rv's has a list of veterinary services in case of emergency for your trip.
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We stayed long term in 3 different parks, one in AZ, one in AL and one in NC. We have seen and heard it all. We have traveled with one dog and now have two. Big dogs, always and right now, a yellow lab and a chow/shepherd mix. We have had very little trouble with our dogs anywhere. They behave like our children did when they both traveled with us. We get compliments and we have worked and continue to work very hard to make them good citizens.

If you ever have the displeasure to shop used stickies, you'll learn that they don't housebreak their pets quite often. I think, "Where do these dirty people come from?" So, if they can live in the RV full of carpet stains and smells, it is no wonder they don't think a pile in the street will be a problem. Also, you can see where the dogs dug into the furniture when barking endlessly while the owners were gone. One of our dogs has taken up howling when left alone and I just purchased a citronella collar for her. The 2 years she stayed in the RV with us, she never made a peep though and we had a full-time neighbor that verified that for us. When we take them out in the van, they don't bark. I think they don't want anyone to know they are there.

Things we saw were people tying their dogs outside behind the trailer, putting them outside in their crates, putting up a wimpy fence enclosure and then driving away for the day. This doesn't work and another issue was water being dumped so they had no drink or the shady place in the morning wasn't shady very long. Know I always turned them in.

A pet is a responsibility and the majority of people traveling with dogs/cats do follow rules and take others into consideration. We work our travel and our life around our pets because they are a part of our life. They are not our "children" or any sort of little person. Our dogs are really obedient and we get so many compliments. They are both seniors. Next, I want to get a senior greyhound! I keep saying no more but..............

When getting a dog to travel with, do your research. Two books I can recommend are "The Right Dog for You" by Daniel F Tortoro and "Your Purebred Puppy" by Michele Welton.

I met a lady a couple of weeks ago on the street who is looking for someone to train her dog. She was impressed by my yellow lab. I could tell she was getting to the point where she was going to ask me if I would do it. I scurried away. Her dog is one of the most stubborn and, well, less intelligent breeds. Across the board, these dogs are just not anything I would ever want to deal with. So, making wise choices in choosing a dog can go along way.

I have loved big dogs since I was child. I avoid people who "hate" dogs, well, "hate" in general.
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Anyone camp with a ferret or other then dog/cat?
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In addition, pets may not be left unattended, tied or physically confined
Perfect example of the need for the Oxford comma! Does this mean

" In addition, pets may not be left unattended, tied, or physically confined."

or does it mean

" In addition, pets may not be left unattended when (or even if) tied or physically confined."
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Anyone camp with a ferret or other then dog/cat?
There were a couple of people that camped with large parrots. Now, if you want you want to drown out the sound of barking dogs, get a parrot.
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Many people seem to be under the delusion that "Their" children or pets are perfectly behaved and that"Other" people's children or pets are the source of the problem . What may seem like perfectly proper behavior in your mind may not coincide with my definition of proper behavior . People attribute human qualities to their pets but pets do not have the ability to think and react logically , they behave based on training and natural instincts . I seldom agree with Byron but he is correct . Your love of your pet does not automatically transfer to me . Your right to enjoy camping with your pet does not diminish my right to a safe, peaceful ,and enjoyable camping experience. My father often told me just because you want to do something and think it's okay does no make it the right thing to do. I should be able to walk down a park trail or road and not have to worry about stepping in poop or being knocked down or bitten
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