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Old 03-26-2008, 09:19 AM   #15
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Good post Mike.

I joined this forum in about 2000, when I purchased my first trailer, being a Boler. I found great news and advise from members, and try to reciprocate when I can. I find that RVing is good for my psyche, since taking on a high pressure occupation a few years ago, and look for times of peace and relaxing and communing with nature that the RV affords me. As my interest in trailers has grown and I got the 'bug', I have changed rigs and tow vehicles accordingly. As I am hopefully within 2 to 3 years of retiring from my current job, I have purchased my most expensive trailer, thinking that I can stay in it for long periods and have the reliability of a fibreglass trailer.

I recognize that members are probably folks like me, being mostly hobbyists and do what they do to enjoy their pastimes. I feel it unfair for me to criticize or offer offending comment, but do take out of discussions what will work for me.

I really appreciate you setting up this site Mike as well as the volunteer moderators, and are indebted to suggestions made by members over the years.

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Old 03-26-2008, 10:32 AM   #16
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This forum has been an inspiration to me from day one. I have learned so much from it that I can't help but feel lead to contribute to it when I can, and I'm forever telling others about it as THE place to learn about our little glass eggs. I've subscribed to other forums, all about Camping, Scamp Trailers, Ham Radio, as well as other topics. But I don't frequent them at all as much as the time I spend here.

The civility, friendliness, and vast communitity of information found in this forum is what draws me here every day.

Mike, and all the moderators, y'all do a GREAT job!

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Old 03-26-2008, 01:18 PM   #17
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Mike, I, too have been a member of this "community" for many years, if an infrequent poster. There are two things I have noticed over that time.

Like in a community, we don't all have the same taste or level of expertise, so we all won't like the same posts or the same posters. I wouldn't think of skipping "sightings" or "Show us your Rigs" as soon as I see a new posting. However, I usually get that glazed-eyed expression when reading through some of the techical stuff (what the heck is an amp anyway?).

Also, it is really difficult to type "funny" at times. What the poster may think is a comment made tongue firmly in cheek may come across as "snotty" regardless of the rolly emoticons. I have to watch that tendency in myself. More than once, I have had to do a quick edit, as what I said wasn't what I meant, or at least didn't sound like it.

That said, it is the most civil group I've encountered, and I would welcome any of it's members into my rig for a cup of coffee and a biscuit any day.


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Old 03-26-2008, 02:04 PM   #18
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Old 03-26-2008, 02:16 PM   #19
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Old 03-26-2008, 02:45 PM   #20
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Keep on keeping us all in check, because that keeps us spreading the RV knowledge without it becoming personal. This is a good community.

There are plenty of other forums where we can get nasty if we feel a need to do that (Like the Usenet forum rec.outdoors.rv-travel, where threads longer than about ten posts deteriorate into the same folks calling each other the same rude names and the vast majority of posts are Off Topic).
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Old 03-26-2008, 02:54 PM   #21
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I must have missed the particular post in question.

I'll have to agree with the bulk of previous posts here that, in all honesty, this group easily has the lowest "incident" rate of ANY forum or discussion group I've been a part of - ever. Credit for that goes to quite a few people; Mike S, the moderator team and the members themselves all should share.

Generators DOES seem to be one of those topics that results in some very emotional responses though. It's kinda like bringing up the "Loud pipes" or "Helmet laws" issues in a motorcycle forum. Very on-topic, so you'd hate to ban the discussion but people seem to have some very strong feelings about it - and some are incapable of engaging in polite conversation about it. It's a REAL shame though when someone lets their opinions for or against some object or practice, spill over onto the people who engage in the practice. There IS a difference. It's just a matter of maintaining your respect for someone while you have a difference of opinion with them.

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Old 03-26-2008, 04:00 PM   #22
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A couple of days ago,was stuck at home cause I didn't feel good, and I had some extra time at home on the computer. I saw a few responses that were kind of nasty, not well thought out.... probably never would have been posted if the posters had let their posts sit in preview for fiteen minutes and reread them ...
anyway, these posts appeared, then dispappeared , all in a matter of an hour.... the moderaters on this board do a wonderful job. Some other boards let things get way out of hand.
All the moderators deserve a round of applause for their volunteer time...

My read on this thread ...Let's all look carelully at what we write, look again and reconsider, and try to be our OWN moderators. Save these nice people some work.

I love this forum, and have learned a lot. Many of the people here have way more experience than I do, but no on e has ever given me a hard time on my contributions or questions. I won't post on something on which I have no personal knowlege, but my questions may be a little verbose. Sorry.

Hope to meet all of you somewhere. Some of the nicest people on the internet post here!
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Old 03-31-2008, 02:43 PM   #23
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I do try to keep my remarks lighthearted and I'm sorry if doing so offends anyone but, it does seem like any suggestion on a topic brings out the nay-sayers. Who then spiel off paragraphs to proudly reinforce their opposite view. I love to read the ideas, good and bad, and have adopted some for personal use. The other ones are not rejected but just put on a back burner The posts that say "This is the ONLY way" and those that say "I'm right, you're wrong" are imediatly dismissed from thought and not re-read.
I said a lot more here and rejected it.
I vented a lot of fury and erased it.
I got quite emotional and used the backspace button .
I feel better now!

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Old 04-01-2008, 11:42 AM   #24
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The overriding philosophy is No Preach'n, No Politic'n, No Sell'n and NO Flame'n and to grow the Fiberglass RV community for the benefit of all.
i wish this was the rule on other forums i frequent...
what i like most about this forum is the collective sense of community that comes from discussions staying "on task"... the result is that every topic is worth reading & learning from...
my only "complaint", (if you can call i that) is that Elegance Of Behavior can make people too polite, too agreeable, & stifle creative thoughts/ideas... i firmly believe in politeness, especially on the internet where words can be easily misconstrued...
i recently posted about my plans to tow my trailer with a 4 cylinder tercel, & was met with only mild resistance to the idea... i was seeking input from people with experience & knowledge on the subject, but i got the impression that sometimes we are reticent to be detractors/nay-sayers...
i'm new to the fgrv modifying scene, & i would rather not learn from expensive mistakes...
but i guess we do have the option of requesting more input contrary to our ideas...
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Old 04-01-2008, 08:07 PM   #25
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Good point Steven. What I think has been missed is that it is OK to disagree. The point is to disagree without being disagreeable. When it gets personal, it is out of bounds.

We have one member that thinks only Liberal views are tolerated. That is not the case. Conservative views about camping, pulling trailers, modifying, etc are totally OK. My view is that it should NOT get personal as in name calling, etc. I know that we all feel very passionate about different things. The point is to share your views in a way that is informational and not emotional.

We as Moderators have very diverse views and none of the Moderators are shy about mentioning them. We all respect each other and it NEVER gets personal.

We just had a very lively discussion about whether we should allow the word "Crap" on the permanent written record in the Forums. Sometimes what you say in life is and should be different then the permanent written record. So we change terms like "Holy crap" to "Holy smokes". It does not change the meaning of the post.

The point is we want this website to be easy to read and have value. Does this make sense?
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Old 04-01-2008, 08:40 PM   #26
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Old 04-01-2008, 08:49 PM   #27
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Mike.
I think this is a helpful and informative discussion. I'm interested in knowing if, when a post is edited or deleted, the poster is notified? If I have offended the moderators or anyone else, it was unknowingly and I would appreciate being advised of my transgression.
I find the forum overall wonderfully welcome and informative and it's one of the first places I check I every day. As someone who is way on the left on the political spectrum I would say that you do accept and post conservative viewpoints, just as you should.
Bravo to an informed and informative website and a big THANK YOU to the moderators who make it so.
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Old 04-01-2008, 10:39 PM   #28
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To be honest, no, we don’t give feedback automatically. We did at first and it turned out to be the wrong thing to do.

What we found is that we got all kinds of responses. Things like “How dare you.”, “This is a Free country, you can’t do that.”, “Thank you, I had second thoughts”, or just plain confrontation. I was even threatened once.

Then, there are those that want to find something to fight about. Whether it is with me or a Moderator, we are all volunteers and don’t have time or want a fight. We have lost several good Moderators because of visitors’ attitudes.

If someone PM’s us and asks what happened, I try to explain (if I know). Sometimes Moderators take care of something and I’m at work or still asleep. Thus I really don’t know. The way I look at it is, we are all trying to create a wonderful place to share and if we make a mistake, don’t take it too seriously.
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