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Old 06-13-2018, 12:26 PM   #29
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Nick, Bigfoots are not stick-built but are molded fiberglass like the others on this forum. Lance, on the other hand certainly look stick built, but I am not really familiar with what materials they use. Bigfoot Industries, in the past, did market a line of stick built trailers for awhile. I have never seen one, but maybe your buddy had one of those. All current Bigfoots, and the vast majority of old ones are molded fiberglass.
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:55 PM   #30
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Perhaps my memory is faulty. How about the roof, are there wooden trusses up there? Lance has a multi layer laminate construction with a lot of CAD CAM design for accuracy and consistency. https://www.lancecamper.com/design-construction/
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:43 PM   #31
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Surprised that Lance trailers haven't entered this discussion.
Why would you be surprised that a stickie (albeit a high quality stickie with aluminum superstructure) hasn't entered the discussion on a molded fiberglass forum?
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My buddy traded his Bigfoot for one as it isn't stick built like the BF..
As has been mentioned, a Bigfoot is a molded fiberglass trailer, not a stickie.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:59 PM   #32
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:21 PM   #33
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Nick, Bigfoots are not stick-built but are molded fiberglass like the others on this forum. Lance, on the other hand certainly look stick built, but I am not really familiar with what materials they use. Bigfoot Industries, in the past, did market a line of stick built trailers for awhile. I have never seen one, but maybe your buddy had one of those. All current Bigfoots, and the vast majority of old ones are molded fiberglass.
In 2000 Bigfoot built some "Millennium" trailers that were fiberglass, foam panels on a framework. They called it a fibercore, or some similar name construction but only a few were built and the only ones I have seen were built in 2000. The first time I saw one listed on Craigslist at a price that was much lower than a molded unit would sell for, and it was listed for some weeks before it was gone. Cost less than a molded Bigfoot, and well worth it.
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Old 01-01-2019, 11:20 AM   #34
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I also have my eye on 19 Escape with Queen bed just wish they were closer! Love the layout and queen bed. More insulation is a great option - cooler summer warmer winter. There are many people living in vans and whatnot full time with insulated walls and floors no problem and it's not hard to heat these small areas. I'd just go for it and you can of course always just dry camp (which I'd do anyhow when freezing) to avoid risk of freezing pipes and blowing out lines.
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Old 01-06-2019, 02:39 PM   #35
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On our 21' Escape we got the heated tank pads, underneath foam and were one of the few that had heat tape installed at the factory. I know one trailer before ours got it installed and I think after ours they said "no" to anyone else asking. Don't know how many they ended up doing, but not very many as Reese had to call me to see if I had more information on how to install it. Nope, I didn't.


We got all that in case the trailer is used when it's much colder, which hasn't happened - yet. But who knows what the future holds.


I do know it was quite hot in the trailer when I was traveling last summer in 90-95 degree weather. Of course, the a/c will cool it down, but it's so damn noisy that I wasn't able to sleep through it. I'd run it until I was ready to go to bed (and snuggled under a fleece blanket as I was getting it as cold as I could in there) and I'd get probably about 5 hours sleep before I'd wake up sweating away and massively overheated. But that was much more sleep than I was getting with the a/c running.


It would be interesting to know if a 4-season Bigfoot would have been cooler in those temperatures than the Escape was. In the same conditions, of course. (Many times without shade trees overhead.)
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Perhaps my memory is faulty. How about the roof, are there wooden trusses up there? Lance has a multi layer laminate construction with a lot of CAD CAM design for accuracy and consistency. https://www.lancecamper.com/design-construction/
Google Lance delimitation. Here's one, trailer was six years old.


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Old 01-06-2019, 03:31 PM   #37
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Our Oliver came with a 13,500 btu a/c and had no trouble staying cool on 100 degree F days. We ordered our Bigfoot with their 11,000 btu a/c unit, and also stay very cool on 100 degree F days. The 11,000 btu model starts and runs easily using our 2,000 watt propane-powered Yamaha gen set. We are experiencing far less condensation (hardly any) in the Bigfoot on cold days compared to the Oliver. Just feels a lot cozier on really cold days. Both trailers were far cozier than a buddy’s Airstream, so there’s that.
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Old 01-08-2019, 02:11 AM   #38
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Don't mistake what is going on with the Bigfoots.

The Bigfoot trailers have wood framing in them because they are designed for cold weather camping. That space the interior framing provides is filled with insulation that is actually thick enough to work. This is they reason they have wood inside of them, it is all about the insulation so they can be used in the winter in cold regions. Some of the Bigfoots also offered an upgrade to double pane windows. There are in Canada, land of hunting in the fall and winter, skiing, ice fishing, etc. Of course the trailers are made differently, the climate is different.

The design is intentionally different than most other molded fiberglass trailers that have very minimal to no insulation because those other trailers are intended for warm season camping.
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Old 04-01-2019, 11:53 AM   #39
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Don't mistake what is going on with the Bigfoots.

The Bigfoot trailers have wood framing in them because they are designed for cold weather camping. That space the interior framing provides is filled with insulation that is actually thick enough to work. This is they reason they have wood inside of them, it is all about the insulation so they can be used in the winter in cold regions..
The wood in BF is not for framing. There are selected areas where wood is encapsulated in fiberglass for the purpose of reinforcing mounting points, such as to mount cabinets on the inside or a ladder on the outside. This is the same as the Escape I believe and likely every fiberglass trailer. They all require reinforcement points for anchoring because the fiberglass alone (being slightly less than 1/4 inch thick) won't hold a fastener all that well in areas subject to heavy load. The photo shows a cutout from a 2500 series Bigfoot. EPS Foam board glued to fiberglass on one side and vinyl covered luan on the other.
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I have a 92 Bigfoot 17G that I am trying to upgrade the insulation in. I have foamed in insulation where I could but the underside is my weakest link. The fiberglass bottom is exposed and I wanted suggestion as to what is the best insulation material to reduce my heat loss through the floor. Suggestions?
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I have a 92 Bigfoot 17G that I am trying to upgrade the insulation in. I have foamed in insulation where I could but the underside is my weakest link. The fiberglass bottom is exposed and I wanted suggestion as to what is the best insulation material to reduce my heat loss through the floor. Suggestions?
Your heat loss through the floor is probably not real bad, the biggest problem is that it is so darn cold when the temps are low.

I opted out of the spray foam option for a couple reasons, wanting to do work under the trailer, cost (though this was not a big deal), and I don't care for the looks. I have since found that just using a mat on the floor makes a world of difference.

What I do plan to do when I have the time (and who knows when that will ever be) is to adhere 2" rigid to the shell where it is open, leaving a bit of a gap around the edge and protrusions and fill this in with a good spray foam.
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We live in Texas so most of our camping in done in the south and if we want cooler weather we go north in the summer months, so for us a well insulated trailer is probably not so much our first choice in trailers. Now I can see where those who camp in the north year around would be very interested in an all weather trailer and would probably be one of there first requirements in purchasing the correct trailer for them. We have a Casita at this time and are looking forward to a larger fiberglass trailer which we have on order at this time and set to pickup in July. One hint is that it is an all weather trailer, is it the Escape, Bigfoot, or the Oliver? Any of these trailers would work well for us as they would for most campers in all weather conditions, but since we could only pick one, we went with the _.

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