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Old 12-18-2011, 08:55 PM   #15
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The Egg Camper does not have double insulation, it has an inner and outer shell, 1/8" thick separated by foil on about 60% surface. While contemplating insulated windows in the Nest Egg I was told I'd be wasting my money because of the 3/8' wall thickness has little insulating value. The Escape and Bigfoot offer thicker insulation at additional costs and weight. But Scamps and Casitas and Egg Campers all are not that well insulated. Stick built trailers with their leak issues offer the thicker foam/fiberglass insulation in floors/walls/roofs. These reasons are why I went with the non molded fiberglass Lance. It has 1.5" thick walls,roof,floor, and insulated windows and hopefully no leaks.
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Old 12-18-2011, 09:18 PM   #16
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The Escape is right up there with the Bigfoot in build quality. If price were not an issue I'd buy the Escape in a heart beat.
I settled on a used Bigfoot for the quality and am happy with it.

I see very few used Escape units on the market for sale and the ones I do see hold there price well, Bigfoot has always had a good resale market.

Would I be unhappy with other FGRV's I don't think so because some may need more research than others to decide the trade offs of each.

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Old 12-18-2011, 10:31 PM   #17
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As the owner of an Escape 17B, I would have to admit a bit of prejudice, but I did do quite a bit of research prior to purchasing & I know I made the right choice. Yes, it was more expensive, but I feel it is a better build, inside & out.

Another advantage is working with Reace & Tammy. They bent over backwards to help me with decisions on options, they installed equipment I sent them (A back up camera & cell phone antenna & amplifier system), in short, great people to buy from.

I'm sure there are just as many individuals happy with their particular brand of trailer but I'm glad I went with Escape.

By the way, if you want to "see" an actual trailer, call Tammy at Escape & ask for a reference to an owner in your area. Most of us are glad to show their trailer to prospective buyers.
The Escape is a nice trailer, but as you say..."there are just as many individuals happy with their particular brand of trailer"
I love my Scamp 13Deluxe for it's size,towability, build quality, and unmatched interior. While it seems the trend is toward larger trailers, we find the Scamp13 to be just the right size needed for travel and comfort.
When we started our search we seriously considered an Airstream Bambi 16 CCD.We bought the Scamp, and after 8 years we still see lots of nice choices out there, but nothing for which we would trade...
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The Egg Camper does not have double insulation, it has an inner and outer shell, 1/8" thick separated by foil on about 60% surface. While contemplating insulated windows in the Nest Egg I was told I'd be wasting my money because of the 3/8' wall thickness has little insulating value. The Escape and Bigfoot offer thicker insulation at additional costs and weight. But Scamps and Casitas and Egg Campers all are not that well insulated. Stick built trailers with their leak issues offer the thicker foam/fiberglass insulation in floors/walls/roofs. These reasons are why I went with the non molded fiberglass Lance. It has 1.5" thick walls,roof,floor, and insulated windows and hopefully no leaks.
Jim you are correct . I called the Eggcamper factory and talked to Jim the owner . I told him I was interested in an Eggcamper and that I wished to use it for deer hunting as well as summer camping . I was told that it was designed to be used down to approx 32 deg f. and that the wall insulation .windows and heater were not designed for colder temps.
I suppose you could pump enough heat into any trailer but at what cost?
I did some checking and from what I could see ,none of the molded fiberglass trailers are designed for below zero use. I just gave up on the idea of using it for hunting when it's COLD
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:27 PM   #19
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Jim you are correct . I called the Eggcamper factory and talked to Jim the owner . I told him I was interested in an Eggcamper and that I wished to use it for deer hunting as well as summer camping . I was told that it was designed to be used down to approx 32 deg f. and that the wall insulation .windows and heater were not designed for colder temps.
I suppose you could pump enough heat into any trailer but at what cost?
I did some checking and from what I could see ,none of the molded fiberglass trailers are designed for below zero use. I just gave up on the idea of using it for hunting when it's COLD
Steve, Bigfoot has an option of a winterized FGRV. It's detailed on their website. Thicker insulation, thermo windows etc, Don't think they make a small egg anymore though.

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Old 12-19-2011, 12:43 AM   #20
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You need to set some priorities when contemplating a purchase.

Will you be camping in fully serviced campgrounds? Semi-serviced? Boondocking?

What are you towing with?

How much do you value a deluxe set of surroundings vs "a dry place to sleep"

Is resale a few years down the road important to you?

What options do you need and/or want?

Do you want airconditioning? Winter insulation?

How many people will be with you on a typical trip? Will there be times when you have "extra folks" along?

How often will you be using it? (Continually? 3 weeks vacation plus 10 weekends per year? Two weekends a year max?)

Is light weight important or do you want more "creature comforts"?

For myself, I'd much rather have a used Lexus than a brand new Camry (at comparable prices) so the decision was easy. If there were used Escapes around in my price range, my choice would have been harder, but the choice of a used Bigfoot 21 was a no-brainer for me

Your wants, needs and desires are likely different
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Old 12-19-2011, 06:35 AM   #21
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Not to throw in another wrench here, but my understanding is the Escape is based on the former Trillium.
You are misinformed. Escape is only based on Escape. At one time, Escape built the 13' Trillium for Tom Young, but that collaboration went away several years ago.
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Old 12-19-2011, 07:28 AM   #22
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I'm not sure what the meaning of money well spent is to some people,
Different things to different people. There is no question of the quality of the Escape. Value is personal.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:17 AM   #23
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I'm curious, there seems to be a lot of BigFoot owners in Canada where they were manufactured? Did most of the owners purchase new or used. I know they were as expensive as the Escape when new but for used they are a good value. There just are not that many used Escape's in the market, perhaps due to limited production. Also there are probably more Escape's in Canada vs US? I wonder what the demographics are for BF and Escape? Perhaps if there were more Escapes the price would be lower at least in the used department.
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:22 PM   #24
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The Egg Camper does not have double insulation, it has an inner and outer shell, 1/8" thick separated by foil on about 60% surface. While contemplating insulated windows in the Nest Egg I was told I'd be wasting my money because of the 3/8' wall thickness has little insulating value. ...
Thank you so much for that info. I've been trying to understand what the Egg Camper could offer with respect to improved insulation/warmth.
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I'm curious, there seems to be a lot of BigFoot owners in Canada where they were manufactured? Did most of the owners purchase new or used. I know they were as expensive as the Escape when new but for used they are a good value. There just are not that many used Escape's in the market, perhaps due to limited production. Also there are probably more Escape's in Canada vs US? I wonder what the demographics are for BF and Escape? Perhaps if there were more Escapes the price would be lower at least in the used department.
I have to tell you. I was in British Columbia this past summer. I thought I'd be seeing a lot of Bigfoots. But instead, I spotted Boilers everywhere we drove.
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Actually, not to single out the Egg Camper, most molded fiberglass campers are not suitable for cold weather. They have thin outer skins with some reflectix or rat fur on the inside and single pane windows. This is why condensation is a big issue here, the outside skin transfers the cold/heat and you have water on the walls. Airstreams are the same with aluminum interior and aluminum studs. Cold and condensation issues exist\.
You need thicker walls, with air space via insulation, interior walls that do not conduct the heat/cold variable. Same for floors and ceiling. Bigfoot did address that as does Escape with the full winter package and double window options. You would still need the spray foam on the Escape floor for winter use. There are other campers, Arctic Fox, Nash, and Lance that are also built for winter use. But Scamps, EggCamper,Casita's, Trilliums, Bolers, Burro's, UHauls,and the host of other FG campers are only spring,summer,fall seasonal comfortable depending on options they may have.
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Actually, not to single out the Egg Camper, most molded fiberglass campers are not suitable for cold weather. They have thin outer skins with some reflectix or rat fur on the inside and single pane windows. This is why condensation is a big issue here, the outside skin transfers the cold/heat and you have water on the walls. Airstreams are the same with aluminum interior and aluminum studs. Cold and condensation issues exist\.
You need thicker walls, with air space via insulation, interior walls that do not conduct the heat/cold variable. Same for floors and ceiling. Bigfoot did address that as does Escape with the full winter package and double window options. You would still need the spray foam on the Escape floor for winter use. There are other campers, Arctic Fox, Nash, and Lance that are also built for winter use. But Scamps, EggCamper,Casita's, Trilliums, Bolers, Burro's, UHauls,and the host of other FG campers are only spring,summer,fall seasonal comfortable depending on options they may have.
Wheels... It's in the Wheels.... They provide the Macro climate control! At least enough to bring it within the parameters of the trailer design and it's accessories.
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I kind of think in terms of.... "price" and then there is the "cost". The price is what you pay at face value, the cost is what you pay over time. Then customer support, will the company be there for you if you have an issue. Parkliner has not responded to two of my attempts at email. Escape and scamp and casita was there every time.

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