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Old 12-22-2011, 04:05 PM   #57
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Frederick L. Simson wrote: To me it would be worth it...[*]Sponge washable Vinyl wall covering instead of "Rat Fur"

We have the vinyl in our Trillium. We like it.[*]Standard cabinets on par with Scamps optional Custom Deluxe.


The panels on the Escape I looked at were plasticized wood grain paper on either fiberboard or a thin plywood. Wood doors and draw fronts. I believe Scamp uses all wood. Perhaps Floyd can confirm this?[*]Taller ceiling height

I think Casita 17 and post fire Scamps ok here as well.



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The Scamp Deluxe custom cabinets have solid oak fronts, solid oak framed doors, solid oak veneer plywood panels, sides and bottoms. There is no MDF and no photo copied woodgrain plastic. The cabinetry is screwed in place(through the shell) not riveted.
The hub-bub over the use of "through the shell" rivets is mostly unfounded hyperbole. The alternative method of glassing in plywood for attachment has it's problems as well, In fact I have often found these boards to be infiltrated with water from window leaks and rotting inside the fiberglass... Much more difficult to fix and at least as common if not more so.
(Just about all Fiberglass RVs have windows)
I have had the washable vinyl walls( became obsolete at Scamp in 1986)... Definite advantage for Scamp's "rat fur"
There is no shower pump in the 16Scamp side bath.
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:50 PM   #58
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Floyd said 'I have had the washable vinyl walls( became obsolete at Scamp in 1986)... Definite advantage for Scamp's "rat fur" '



Why is rat fur better that vinyl that can be easily cleaned with a sponge?
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Old 12-22-2011, 06:41 PM   #59
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I can't speak to "rat fur" or vinyl walls, as our (almost) 40 year old sailboat, subjected to humid, on the water conditions 24/7/365, has mostly fiberglass interior "walls".... (in places, teak slats provide a decorative break, and in a very few areas, formica).
For that reason, we were really happy to find a fiberglass in and out trailer a few years ago. No issue. Wipe it off, clean it, done.
Rivets? On well. Every hull has thru-hull penetrations of some kind... screws, rivets, whatever. The fewer, the better, in my opinion. And keep an eye out for leaks at penetration sites. Hopefully, you can see all of them. If you can't.... then it's a more difficult trail to follow.
Just the observations of a sailboat owner. Actually, that's why we chose molded fiberglass, because the boat is doing so well, still, after all these decades.
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Floyd said 'I have had the washable vinyl walls( became obsolete at Scamp in 1986)... Definite advantage for Scamp's "rat fur" '



Why is rat fur better that vinyl that can be easily cleaned with a sponge?
Not that one is better than the other, but that the advantage in this case,goes to Scamp IMHO due to the reflectix insulation, and the marine fabric which can be scrubbed or windexed, or even have solvent used on it without harming it. It stays clean better than a solid surface and will not hold moisture. This wallcovering system is warmer and requires less maintenance than it's competition, and as a result of it's excellent insulating qualities, it does not allow condensation to form on it's surface during cold camping.
This is a seriously amazing fabric which adds warmth and luxurious comfort to the Scamp's interior. A damp cloth or a vacuum cleaner will do a great job of cleaning it, which is seldom needed.
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I love the interior wood finish of the 16' Scamp Deluxe with front dinette, just wished it were 2 feet longer or 1 foot wider.
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I'd agree. The craftsmanship is lovely in the Scamp 16 Deluxe.
The "carpet" on the walls in my friend's Casita is just nubby marine fabric/headliner/carpet. It doesn't seem to be a big maintenance deal, either.
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I love the interior wood finish of the 16' Scamp Deluxe with front dinette, just wished it were 2 feet longer or 1 foot wider.
That second part is what Ford said about my Ranger and now all you can get from them is an oversized truck!
You might then really like a Bigfoot..., but it takes an oversized tow vehicle to move it, Great at the campsite, but not on the road, the world is full of compromise. I'm just glad someone made one just the right size for me.
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There are a fair number of rivets on the outside hatches and vents and such. I counted a few dozen on my 19.

4 on the door stay
4 on the door stay mount
4 on the battery vent
10 on the small hatch accessory
~16 on the fridge vent lower
3 on the power inlet
3 on the water heater deflector
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Worth it???
All depends on what you feel you absolutely need. I chose and very very happy with my choice, a 13' standard Scamp. After thousands of miles and several hundred nights there's not another trailer on the market I would rather have. Part of it depends on what is important to you. For us it was more important to spend that extra $10,000+ that an Escape or other trailer would cost on gas for travel. We don't need to spend days on end inside the trailer.
We don't need to worry about bumping into each other on the small bed, we're good friends. We don't mind going to bed at the same time and getting up at the same, even getting up in the middle of the night at the same time.
I often wonder what those that say that my 13' is too small do with more room. Even a 16', what is done with the extra 3'? Carry more junk that I wouldn't need I guess.
Some mention of cold weather. Sometimes you can't avoid cold weather. We got stuck in Big Bend last winter with temperatures close to 0F We used a bit of propane, and stayed inside most of the time, but it wasn't so bad that we would let the experience bother us. We both caught up on some reading. We still went for walks and talked to people, took a few pictures of the frozen pond.
Enjoyment and happiness is all in the mind. Seeing the world and being outside are what makes us happy, but most important is being together wherever we are.
Enjoy what ever you decide.
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Trailer Choices

Life is a series of choices. If you choose a fiberglass trailer you've made a good choice.

A fiberglass trailer can last as long as you're willing to do some simple things to take care of them.

It's true there are differences between models and brands; that's great it provides more choice and competition, most importantly the basic underlying strength runs thru the many brands of fiberglass trailers I've seen.

Some people can justify the cost of bigger, heavier, fancier, larger tow vehicles and higher operating or higher purchasing costs; for others smaller is financially, ethically or physically smarter and more practical. In either case they are all both excellent choices and can be worth your money.

As well having less expensive brands does provide a migration path for owners who at somepoint desire and can afford more.

Personally as we've proceeded thru our RV life, we have found that often less can be more. Sometimes it means we can travel further and longer because our costs are less or we have found that smaller and simpler is just easier as we age.

As the teacher said "make good choices, life is short". If you're reading this forum you're probably making good choices.
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Thanks for the advice

I enjoy tent camping ( fishing & hunting trips) ,my wife does not. When i retired I decided now that I have more time I wanted to do more camping, I purchased the Scamp so my wife would want to go camping and we could enjoy it together . We camped about 30 days last summer , not enough for me but plenty for her. She looked at the Escape on the Internet and said maybe if we had a little bigger trailer with more amenities she would be more inclined to go camping. I looked at the Escape and saw a first class trailer with a first class price tag . We basically use our Scamp as a bedroom , spending most of our day outdoors. I was having a difficult time justifying the cost of an Escape 19 ft on the hope my wife would want to go on longer or more frequent trips . I believe our Scamp is a fine trailer but like most there are things on the Scamp I would like to change but at what cost ? .Your thoughtful advice will surely help us make a wise decision .

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Let us know when and if you make any decision. This was an interesting thought processing thread.
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The Scamp Deluxe custom cabinets have solid oak fronts, solid oak framed doors, solid oak veneer plywood panels, sides and bottoms. There is no MDF and no photo copied woodgrain plastic. The cabinetry is screwed in place(through the shell) not riveted.
The hub-bub over the use of "through the shell" rivets is mostly unfounded hyperbole. The alternative method of glassing in plywood for attachment has it's problems as well, In fact I have often found these boards to be infiltrated with water from window leaks and rotting inside the fiberglass... Much more difficult to fix and at least as common if not more so.
(Just about all Fiberglass RVs have windows)
I have had the washable vinyl walls( became obsolete at Scamp in 1986)... Definite advantage for Scamp's "rat fur"
There is no shower pump in the 16Scamp side bath.
I forgot to mention that the word "Oak" could be replaced with the word "Birch" which is the other choice.
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I enjoy tent camping ( fishing & hunting trips) ,my wife does not. When i retired I decided now that I have more time I wanted to do more camping, I purchased the Scamp so my wife would want to go camping and we could enjoy it together . We camped about 30 days last summer , not enough for me but plenty for her. She looked at the Escape on the Internet and said maybe if we had a little bigger trailer with more amenities she would be more inclined to go camping. I looked at the Escape and saw a first class trailer with a first class price tag . We basically use our Scamp as a bedroom , spending most of our day outdoors. I was having a difficult time justifying the cost of an Escape 19 ft on the hope my wife would want to go on longer or more frequent trips . I believe our Scamp is a fine trailer but like most there are things on the Scamp I would like to change but at what cost ? .Your thoughtful advice will surely help us make a wise decision .

HAPPY HOLIDAYS
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I understand. My wife and I have had a similar conversation. If it's her desire and idea to go along more often, and if you like having her along, a bigger trailer is probably more worthwhile than if, say, you want her along but she is more reluctant. In the latter case she may be trying to talk herself into doing what she'd rather not do and/or appeasing you, which won't result in much more joint camping time in the long run.

My wife is in the latter group. She simply enjoys sitting around the house and socializing via computer. Whereas I thrive on an open blue sky above, the sound of wind in the pines, and outdoor scents wafting along. My wife says, "Maybe if the RV had a more comfortable place to sit and a bigger bed..." but I know it would not truly make her happy, only more willing to put up with the traveling.

Maybe the question is not, "is the more expensive trailer worth it," but rather, "what will truly make my wife happiest?" For that, you and I may need to join a psychologist's forum!
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