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Old 02-07-2007, 10:14 AM   #1
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New to forum -- but been lurking for a while. The retirement dollars in the old wallet are really starting to heat up -- so getting real close to making the plunge.

Wife & I know we want something small (between 16 - 20ft). We really like the idea of purchasing a Scamp custom for the maple woodwork (and the first mod I'll make - wood laminate floor). We sort of narrowed our choice down to a new 17' Scamp.

... then we got thinking about the "real definition" of retirement -- namely that time in life when I get the opportunity to spend every waking second/minute/hour following my wife around, constantly under foot and in her way, in her space .. so we start thinking about the Escape or Scamp 5ers -- her at one end, me at the other.

Would like some opinions from you folks on relative merits. We really want those Scamp maple cabinets, but we also like the layout of the Escape. For us, the primary consideration will be quality of construction, fit, and finish.

One more item -- we'll be towing with a 2007 Toyota Tacoma 4-Dr 4X4. Any problems with the 5er hitch mount and the composite nature of theTacoma's bed? Is this a situation that becomes a "bridge to far," and therfore we need to reconsider the 17' with me outside in a tent?

Thanks -- and know we'll get some profound answers from you friendly folks.
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:26 AM   #2
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As with any purchase you want it to be the best you can afford and i do the same.What I look at is what do I really NEED.For example my first concern is sleeping space.This is a must for me.For my wife its a toilet.This will give you an idea of peoples differences.I beleive most makers of FG units on the market today are made very well.I think you would have to see and be in them to get a proper idea.I myself am looking at a new unit and have 3 in mind,so i am going through same process.
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:27 AM   #3
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both the Scamp and the new Escape 5.0 are great units! If I was getting the deluxe scamp i would just have them leave out the carpet... they will install Leno but at extra charge or just leave it bare so you can install the flooring yourself w/o ripping up the carpet... Just depends on what floor plans you like best... I dont have the deluxe 5th wheel scamp, but I really like it for my needs ( just me and the doggies) I had the laminate flooring put in.. ( really like that )
As far as towing with the newer Tacoma.. i think the newers beds are lighter than the older ones and some reinforcements need to be done to anchor the hitch. There was some discussion some where on the boards . I tow mine with a Ford Ranger XLT 4.0 L 6cyl... its like nothing is behind me......
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:51 AM   #4
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Looking for a link or thread that will direct me to someone's interior pix of a Scamp 19' (5th wheel) Custom. Primarily interested in seeing the layout and the woodwork used in Scamps' Custom option. Tried a seach on this site and was not very successful.

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Old 02-07-2007, 12:45 PM   #6
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Ed,

Go to Yahoo Groups and sign up for the Scampers Overflow II group. There you will find Don D. who owns a 2005 Scamp Deluxe 5th wheel. He pulls with a 2 wd Tacoma and said he's had no problems towing with it. He has lots of pictures with numerous modifications. He is also willing to share his experiences.

We have a 1997 Scamp 5th wheel deluxe with the maple cabinets and the large refrigerator. The floor plan (same as Don's) is the bottom one on Scamp Trailers' webpage:
http://www.scamptrailers.com/indexa015.html?PageID=30

We are very pleased with the amount of storage, counter top space, large bathroom, and private loft bedroom accessed by steps. We have no plans on replacing it anytime soon.

While searching for a camper we were fortunate enough to find someone within 20 miles willing to let us check out his 5th wheel camper. If you ask around you will probably get lucky too.

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Old 02-07-2007, 12:51 PM   #7
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If I was getting the deluxe scamp i would just have them leave out the carpet... just leave it bare so you can install the flooring yourself w/o ripping up the carpet... Just depends on what floor plans you like best...
I agree with Christi V about leaving the carpet out, if you asked they might put in the flooring for you(?). With the Scamp Custom you can also get a varity of floor plans, make up you own also (I believe). Give them a call, 1-800-346-4962

We looked at a Custom at the factory while ours was on the list to get made, they are nice, with the bed room up stairs out of the way, gives a lot more living space down stairs.

However, they are 19' not 17' which is better.

I would not think you would have any problems pulling on, nor the Scamp folks putting the hitch onto your unit. Ask them if you call. Also ask for a DVD video on how they are make, etc. or a VCR type if you like it better.

The Escape looks really neat from photos that is.

Here is a Quote from the Scamp site: "Custom interiors allow for flexible floor plans and layouts. Have something special that you would like to have designed into your Scamp? Give us a call. We can tell you if it is possible to do."

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Old 02-07-2007, 01:29 PM   #8
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I would not think you would have any problems pulling on, nor the Scamp folks putting the hitch onto your unit
I was told by Scamp that you will have to have reinforcements in the beds of the newer Tacoma's... only because they are made now of some lighter composite materials.... so reinforcment is necessary. If the reinforcements are put in by someone else Scamp can mount the hitch for you but they wont do the reinforcments the bed needs.
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... we'll be towing with a 2007 Toyota Tacoma 4-Dr 4X4. Any problems with the 5er hitch mount and the composite nature of the Tacoma's bed?...
Ian and Paddy are towing their Escape 5.0 with a Toyota, which I believe is a Tacoma. There are photos of their rig, including hitch details, in Escape 5.0 has hatched!. I don't know if all Tacoma boxes are composite, so I don't know if theirs is... but personally, I would bracket the hitch to the frame anyway, so the box material is not very important.

The Scamp high-mounted ball hitch has its own mounting considerations.
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Ian and Paddy are towing their Escape 5.0 with a Toyota, which I believe is a Tacoma. There are photos of their rig, including hitch details, in Escape 5.0 has hatched!. I don't know if all Tacoma boxes are composite, so I don't know if theirs is... but personally, I would bracket the hitch to the frame anyway, so the box material is not very important.

The Scamp high-mounted ball hitch has its own mounting considerations.
It's a Tundra, not a Tacoma.

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Old 02-07-2007, 01:56 PM   #11
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Mary -- perfect!

That's what I was looking for but could not find with a search.

One question -- is yours "stock" or custom? Pix 11 and 12 look like the maple that would be in the custom; however the other pix with the darker wood, and white cabinets, and wrought iron supports look like the stock version.

Thanks for theinfo.
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Ed, perhaps I can help. Both are "stock". The "standard" Scamp fifth wheel has the fiberglass interior. All of the wood interior Scamps are "Custom Deluxe" models and built in Scamp's custom shop where they're made to order for an individual customer's special order. They have several "stock" floorplans from which to choose, and the individual customer can special order any custom design they want from there.

The Custom Deluxes come in both Honey Oak and the Birch, depending on what the customer chooses. I had two Custom Deluxe Scamps, an '02 16' side dinette trailer and a '00 19' fifth wheel, both in honey oak.

I have photos of both you can see in my albums here:

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Well, I'm one of the fortunate few that's actually seen the inside of the new Escape 5'er...and several Scamp 5'er Deluxes....both front bathroom and sidebath models. My choice, because of sleeping area would be either the Escape or a sidebath Scamp....so the bed can be front to back...not curb to curb. I'm not INTO crawling over someone in the middle of the night to use the "facilities." However, the Escape has a huge bathroom in comparison to the sidebath Scamp...if that's a concern. Then too, the Scamp with front bath has the optional 6 cu fridge...the largest in the Escape is 5 cu ft. So many choices, so many decisions. And the only one that can decide what works best for you...is you! The only thing I can tell you about all that wood...is all that BROWN gets tiring. I have a 16' Deluxe, between the tan walls, the brown maple cabinets and a brown carpet....I need COLOR. So, I'd go with lino on the floor and colorful throw rugs. As nice as the wood floor look is, I think it's best in a white cabinet trailer....not when already surrounded by BROWN.
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Old 02-07-2007, 02:41 PM   #14
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Roger:

Perfect! That was exacrly what I was looking for. Wife and I are interested in a new 19' Scamp Custom Delux. Your photos showed me exactly what I was looking for. I know yours was a 2000, but I'd like mine done similar to waht you had. I like thecabinets all the way round the roof. I was surprised the Honey Oak was lighter than I expected -- we are interested in the Birch, so I assume that is lots lighter.

Did you order the refrig from Scamp? Or is that custom -- wife would really appreciate that.

Again -- thanks for the info.

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