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Old 05-08-2017, 04:20 PM   #15
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Yup. 5mm actually.
It's used in large panel areas to save weight. Cupboards and drawers faces are solid oak.
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Pressboard is a common building material for cabinets in trailers. It's made, basically, of glued together sawdust. It is heavy, brittle, won't hold screws well and falls apart if it gets wet. Junk. To make it look like real wood, a common practice is to glue on a picture of wood. Then call it "oak" or "walnut" or some such.
I believe that is far more common in stickies and not so much in fiberglass trailers.
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Old 05-08-2017, 04:43 PM   #17
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There is a perception out there that Oliver is the best constructed available FG trailer. While this may be true, suitable layout means more to me than having to own the perceived best/most expensive. In some cases, it is an ego thing.
I agree that you have to get a trailer that is suitable for your needs. Of course. Having to own the perceived best/most expensive one is not interesting. Avoiding all the repeated weak points in so many brands is. If I was looking to impress, I would have bought an Airstream and really paid the price. But then I'd have to settle for something much less useable, for us.

It's just nice to avoid making the same mistakes and finally, after many years, be able to get something really nice. Of course, camping is still camping and being able to get in out of the weather is the bottom line. I've had a lot of fun with tents.
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Old 05-08-2017, 04:56 PM   #18
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Are you really cross shopping between those two brands? Are you truly considering paying $50,000+ for the trailer and a similar amount for the 3/4 ton truck you will need to pull it? Olivers appear to be wonderful trailers, clearly the nicest of the FGRVs, but it's a huge leap in commitment over any of the other FG choices. I think most of their customers would be considering Airstreams or even one of the Sprinter based motorhomes.
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I believe that is far more common in stickies and not so much in fiberglass trailers.
I agree. That's why I said "trailers" instead of fiberglass trailers. I obviously don't know what every brand of trailer uses for everything. Just that too many use poor materials. The concept of marginal, but cheap, materials could be carried over to using bare OSB or plywood for floors too. Or plastic outside grab handles and plastic faucets. Often it's so easy to do so much better at a small additional cost, and it doesn't happen. It's fairly easy to fix a many things, but the idea that I was set up to have to fix them and then wonder what else will be next is annoying.

Trailer manufacturer's, when confronted with questions about why products seem so poorly built will say they are not designed for steady use. But many of us would like to keep these things for many years and not be afraid to use them as much as we want. How much is too much? Beyond that, using things that are well made adds to the enjoyment of having them. Smooth working mechanisms, safe stoves, convenient refrigerators, easy to heat spaces, cabinets that stay together, roofs that don't leak and exteriors that don't require much maintenance, like fiberglass.
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I agree that you have to get a trailer that is suitable for your needs. Of course. Having to own the perceived best/most expensive one is not interesting. Avoiding all the repeated weak points in so many brands is. If I was looking to impress, I would have bought an Airstream and really paid the price. But then I'd have to settle for something much less useable, for us.

It's just nice to avoid making the same mistakes and finally, after many years, be able to get something really nice. Of course, camping is still camping and being able to get in out of the weather is the bottom line. I've had a lot of fun with tents.
Actually, if you were to buy an Airstream, I would not be impressed at all. Since they were sold, from everything I have heard, quality has been on a downward spiral. And I find their layouts not enticing. And given that most of the time I spend inside the trailer is when I am sleeping, I am not impressed with a bed that has a diagonal cut rather than a rounded corner. And I do not suggest that everyone who buys an Oliver does so to impress others. As I said, price wasn't a concern for me. Neither my wife nor I liked the layout. If they built a 5th Wheel, I would have likely bought one. However, even though they may be nice, Olivers did not meet my needs and/or my desires. You have a very good trailer.
But I am sure and you will probably agree with me that there is a small handful of Oliver owners who bought them because they just had to have what they considered the "Cadillac" of trailers and think they are impressing others, just as some people will purchase stainless steel appliances and granite countertops for their home simply because SS and granite are the current "in thing." Remember avocado and yellow appliances in the 60s and 70s!
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We looked at an Oliver . It was well built and well engineered but the layout appeared to be just a Casita on steroids . We like traveling and camping but we can do that without spending 60 K on a trailer
The Oliver is a quality trailer but more than we need or want .
We like the Escape's layout and it fits our style of camping but the quality doesn't match up with the price.
Until we can find a trailer that has the guality , features and layout we desire and at a fair price our money will stay in the bank..
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We looked at an Oliver . It was well built and well engineered but the layout appeared to be just a Casita on steroids . We like traveling and camping but we can do that without spending 60 K on a trailer
The Oliver is a quality trailer but more than we need or want .
We like the Escape's layout and it fits our style of camping but the quality doesn't match up with the price.
Until we can find a trailer that has the guality , features and layout we desire and at a fair price our money will stay in the bank..
Assuming you want one, keep your eye open for a used Elite ll. 60K is up there. Then when you factor in the wait and the trip to get it, sheesh. When you find a used one, you'll have to be ready to act on it or it will be gone.
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As I shared in another forum, I am just beginning my research, and it appears from what I am reading the Oliver is the better built, but almost doubles the price. I am wondering if the Oliver four ply of FG is important if I don't intend to be in frigid temperatures. It appears the connecters and hardware is superior on the Oliver, but for the price of an Oliver, you could replace these pieces often on an Escape. It also appears that the Oliver would be the best in quality, second would be the Escape in FG trailers. Would those on this forum agree? It appears to me that it gets down to what one can afford. I would like to know what you as an Escape owner thinks, if paying the extra price for an Oliver, would be worth it and if there are any other reasons besides cost for choosing the Escape. I am thinking of a unit between 17-21 at the most.

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It sounds like you have answered your own questions to the satisfaction of the only one who matters... you!
Your assumptions can take you over half way to a decision. Then you only have to sit back, relax, and let rationalization finish the job.
You write the check, so decide what you like, buy it, then decide to like what you bought!(works every time)
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Thanks everyone for your input!
I defintely appreciate ALL your thoughts.
I have lots to think about, and much more reserch to do, and then go to some FG rallys. I am sure seeing them will definitely help us in our decision. But all of your input has been very helpful!
Thanks again!
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Both have their advantages. The Escape is about 40% less money, has dual axles on its 19 foot trailer, lighter weight and larger dinettes.

The Oliver IMHO is the best built molded trailer right now.

Whether the difference in quality justifies the price is up to you. Realize that 40 year old molded trailers built to a lower standard than either of them are still around and being used. Taken care of, a new Scamp, Casita, Escape and Oliver will all be around 40 years from now.

Resale wise it's a push. All four brands do well as do all other brands I can think of. 45 year old Burros are being sold today at four times the original price (or even higher)!

Also, do not overlook floor plan. Once you have had a few trailers, you will know what layouts you like and what you don't like. I much prefer a dinette at one end and a large bed at the other. Escape 19, 21, and Scamp Deluxe 16 layouts are best for me.
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Is there an advantage to a double axle, or does this just depend on weight of trailer?
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With a dual axle trailer, should you get a flat, you can continue to your destination, without noticing the inconvenience. However, the shredding tire will destroy a good part of the trailer's wheel well and plumbing.
Consumer demand favors the dual axle, so that's what the consumer gets; twice as many tires and brakes and bearings to maintain.
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Tandem axle trailers are more stable on the highway. They sway less. They can carry a heavier load if needed. Since the axles are closer to the rear end and the front of the trailer, they don't drag their rear bumpers or hitches as much as you negotiate driveways and back roads.

In an emergency you can pull off one wheel and proceed. Like if you have no spare or if you get a bad wheel bearing. I recently saw one coming into a shop with a wheel off. Bearings destroyed and axle damaged. One wheel removed and towed in.

You have twice as many of a lot of parts, but the improvement in towing makes it worth it to me. You also have twice as many brakes, so mountain descents can be easier if the trailer brakes are used to help slow the TV.

Of course, if the trailer only weighs 1,500 lbs or so, and is really short, a single axle is better. By the time they get to about 20 feet, the tandem makes more sense. Easier towing, less load on the axles and tires, stability, etc.
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