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Old 08-05-2011, 06:36 PM   #15
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I have thought about using a wind deflector. My quandary is how to attach it? I don't have a roof luggage rack and there aren't any rain gutters to clip to...
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Old 08-05-2011, 09:32 PM   #16
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Melissa, you are going to know that there is a trailer back there, unless you are towing it with a Peterbilt. That does not indicate any kind of problem. Your engine is going to rev higher, you'll have trouble keeping up with traffic on hills, you won't be able to stop as quickly, and your fuel economy will suffer.

Welcome to the world of trailering!

I Am not trying to be a smart arse. It is unrealistic to think that you won't notice a trailer behind you. That helps you to remember that it is there, and to drive accordingly. You mentioned driving at 65 MPH. Hopefully you weren't trying to drive much faster than that with your T@B in tow! Take a lesson from the Europeans, who tow a lot more than we do (and with smaller cars): slow down and enjoy the trip!

I towed my Scamp up into the Pocono mountains a few weeks ago with my 128 horsepower subcompact car, along with two bicycles on the roof of the car. I kept the speed to 55-60 MPH and got 24 MPG.

Don't worry about it! Just remember to change your transmission fluid sooner, and use the highest quality fluids you can find. I recommend RedLine, but there are a few other good ones put there, too.
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Old 08-05-2011, 09:40 PM   #17
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I don't know about you, Jesse. You're so Pro-European that you even spelled "smart - ****" the English way!
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Old 08-05-2011, 09:46 PM   #18
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Thank you for the input. After talking with Toyota today and having them tell me all that was normal and my tranny fluid looks perfect I feel a lot better. The only time I drove 65 mph was on I-10 around Jacksonville when I was getting ran over by semis etc and I just wanted to get away from that city as quickly as I could so I could slow back down to my usual 55-60 mph speed. Funny enough, with the surge brakes on the T@b I didnt notice any decreased braking and did have a couple of emergency braking situations where I think I stopped quicker when the T@b brakes engaged.

I guess I'd read so many posts of folks saying they tow with smaller vehicles than mine and barely know their little Eggs aree back there and it only affected their mileage by a few MPG that I thought surely my V6 Sienna would just breeze up hills and power through headwinds without downshifting and slowing or chugging gas etc.

Thank you for the reassurance. I've only towed a popup before so never experienced that kind of wind resistance.

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Melissa, you are going to know that there is a trailer back there, unless you are towing it with a Peterbilt. That does not indicate any kind of problem. Your engine is going to rev higher, you'll have trouble keeping up with traffic on hills, you won't be able to stop as quickly, and your fuel economy will suffer.

Welcome to the world of trailering!

I Am not trying to be a smart arse. It is unrealistic to think that you won't notice a trailer behind you. That helps you to remember that it is there, and to drive accordingly. You mentioned driving at 65 MPH. Hopefully you weren't trying to drive much faster than that with your T@B in tow! Take a lesson from the Europeans, who tow a lot more than we do (and with smaller cars): slow down and enjoy the trip!

I towed my Scamp up into the Pocono mountains a few weeks ago with my 128 horsepower subcompact car, along with two bicycles on the roof of the car. I kept the speed to 55-60 MPH and got 24 MPG.

Don't worry about it! Just remember to change your transmission fluid sooner, and use the highest quality fluids you can find. I recommend RedLine, but there are a few other good ones put there, too.
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Old 08-06-2011, 06:26 AM   #19
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I don't know about you, Jesse. You're so Pro-European that you even spelled "smart - ****" the English way!
Haha! I spelled it that way hoping it would make it through the forum's filters.

Cheers! (lol)
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Old 08-06-2011, 10:47 AM   #20
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Melissa glad to hear you had a good time. Im one of those who drives with a fairly small tow and what you experinced is pretty normal although I have the option of going over to manual/sport mode in mine to help it out on the hills and keep the RMP's down. IMHO the winds are an issue for everyone - no matter how big the tow vechile is. I suspect there are few people out there towing who are not reminded very fast that they are towing when faced with a strong head wind or a wind coming in gusts from the side - more so from the side when towing fairly light trailers like ours. A head wind will impact everyones MPG no matter what they are towing with as will speed.

You may also want to check what the speed rating is on your trailers tires. some are not rated for over 65. I do tend to stay at or under 60 no matter what 55 is my happy speed but I faced the same situation in Montana last week as you where the speed was posted as 75 on roads that would not be rated any higher than 45/50 here - after talking with a local about the speed laws I decided to not to go over 60 and noted I was not the only one. I kept an eye out to make sure I was not holding anyone up on single lane roads and would use the pull outs or move over as far to the right as I could so they can see its safe to pass. Bottom line dont let people push you into going fast than what you are comfortable doing - thats a great way to get into trouble towing.
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Old 08-06-2011, 04:53 PM   #21
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Thanks, Carol. My T@b came from the factory with 205/50/16's so when I put new tires on for the trip I went with Khumos in the same size so speed rating isnt a factor as far as tires are concerned. Ya, I moved over when traveling on 2 lane roads whenever I could. Thankfully that wasnt very often as traffic was pretty low or else the 2 lanes had passing lanes frequently. Where I got jammed up in high speed traffic was in FL where you dont have a lot of good options other than the interstate since I live on the East Coast of FL and I-95 is pretty much the only way to get there. I hated it when cars would come flying up as close as they could even in the slow lane and then dart around me and cut back in close. There was no need for it they were just driving like idiots. It happens around Jacksonville, St. Augustine, Daytona Beach, the I-4 cutoff etc.
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Old 08-07-2011, 07:30 AM   #22
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Sooooooooooooo, I'm wondering if the Scamp 13 has less frontal area than my T@b? The T@b is exactly the same width as my Sienna Van so the difference must be in height. Is my T@b that much higher and catching more wind than Scamp 13 owners? I sure could feel her back there up hills and in headwinds wheras folks with the little Eggs say they hardly notice them at all.
If you were to compare 3 trailers shapes with the same frontal area, 1) square box cargo trailer, 2) T@B, 3) Scamp shape, I would expect the aerodynamic drag from the T@B would be about half way between the box shape and the Scamp shape.

The T@B has an aerodynamic shape in 2 dimensions (height and length) where the Scamp is aerodynamic in 3 dimensions (height, length and width). The edges where the front, top and back meet with the sides on a T@B create more aerodynamic drag than the rounded corners at these locations on the Scamp shape.
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Old 08-07-2011, 10:50 AM   #23
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Thanks Andy. I had a feeling it had something to do with that since my T@b is the same width as my minivan (and the Scamp too I believe). I hope to get to GA maybe in Oct when the cooler weather has arrived and do a fall colors drive with the kids (never seen leaves change colors) and rent Jay's Scamp he just restored to do a comparison. With the kiddos in their own beds I wont get kicked, poked, kneed or hit and may actually get a good night's sleep, lol. That was rough at the end of a 12 hr day.
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Old 08-07-2011, 01:30 PM   #24
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I guess I'd read so many posts of folks saying they tow with smaller vehicles than mine and barely know their little Eggs aree back there and it only affected their mileage by a few MPG that I thought surely my V6 Sienna would just breeze up hills and power through headwinds without downshifting and slowing or chugging gas etc.

Thank you for the reassurance. I've only towed a popup before so never experienced that kind of wind resistance.

This is why I LOVE this Group!!

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I've read a lot of those posts where people claim they barely know their trailers are back there, but it seems I always know mine is back there whether I tow my Scamp with my 4 cyl Subaru, or my V-8 Dodge Dakota. We had a pop-up for years, a small one with only a 1720 GVWR and the first time we towed our Scamp I was amazed at the difference in the feel compared to the pop-up! It felt like we were hauling a dinosaur the first couple of miles. We've adjusted to it and it's not as intimidating as that first tow, but we always know it's back there. My Subaru mileage drops more when towing than my Dakota mileage drops, but I still get just as good or better towing with my Subaru as I do with my Dodge not towing.
Modern vehicles have pretty good cooling systems, and although hills and headwinds definitely will affect your mileage since you are pulling an extra ton, and the RPMs will have to increase to get to the correct power band in those situations, the cooling system is pretty good at regulating the temperature if you follow the manufacturers limits and recommendations.

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Old 08-07-2011, 03:50 PM   #25
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I've read a lot of those posts where people claim they barely know their trailers are back there, but it seems I always know mine is back there whether I tow my Scamp with my 4 cyl Subaru, or my V-8 Dodge Dakota. We had a pop-up for years, a small one with only a 1720 GVWR and the first time we towed our Scamp I was amazed at the difference in the feel compared to the pop-up! It felt like we were hauling a dinosaur the first couple of miles. We've adjusted to it and it's not as intimidating as that first tow, but we always know it's back there.John
I wonder how much the weight of the tow vehicle figures into "knowing it's back there"? When we went from our 3200 lb S-10 to our 5200 lb Tundra there wasn't nearly as much of the tugging and jerking we used to have with the lighter vehicle - almost (but not quite), like "we didn't know it was back there." I don't think this is a factor of power, as much as a factor of just plain being heavy enough to resist the movements of the trailer.
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Old 08-07-2011, 05:14 PM   #26
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I tow my trailer at around 55mph. On the flats with my F-150 at 55mph (non towing) it's at 1500 rpm. Towing the trailer at 55mph, it's 1500 rpm. No difference, I don't know it's back there other than when the front tire of the tug hits a pot hole, then the rear tire of the tug, the trailer axle. Bump, bump, bump. Like Ray mentioned, I think a lot of it has to do with the weight of the tug... YMMV
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Old 08-07-2011, 05:21 PM   #27
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As I have posted elsewhere, I get 13 mpg, towing or not!! Either vehicle
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Old 08-07-2011, 05:43 PM   #28
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As I have posted elsewhere, I get 13 mpg, towing or not!! Either vehicle
That's what my class-A motorhome used to get!

Speaking of which, towing a car on a dolly behind the motorhome was a real case of "not knowing its there". I used to keep the backup camera on just so I was certain the car was actually there!
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