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Old 03-02-2007, 02:36 PM   #29
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...we did not want to change the coupler and publish such a GVWR for a trailer that weighs 2860 lbs., as we were afraid we might scare people off with such a high GVWR.
Thanks for the information, Steve. It is unfortunate that many potential buyers don't understand that GVWR is a capability, not a weight that they have to pull, and may look at a high GVWR as a problem, when it is really an advantage.

My Boler B1700 has an Atwood coupler with a 5000 lb rating (but still 2" ball size), and a much lower GVWR. All I can suggest is changing to the higher-capacity coupler and [b]publishing a compromise GVWR - it is the manufacturer's rating to set, even if the hardware is capable of more.

I think that in combination, the tire upgrade and this potential coupler upgrade would add valuable flexibility for the end user of the trailer. It still wouldn't suit my current needs, but I wholeheartedly agree with the Lutz niche market plan - if you are realistically not going have a large market share, success comes from finding the right niche.
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Old 03-02-2007, 02:37 PM   #30
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Bobbie, you have me stumped. The only way I can imagine to do that already exists, in the form of a folding trailer (they do make hard wall versions of this) or a teardrop.

Perhaps others have some thoughts on this.

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A folding trailer reportedly requires abut 20 minutes of set-up time and is not very comfortable in inclement weather. A pop-top (they are still made for truck campers) takes about two minutes to raise.

What about some mechanism to lower the trailer for a slow move into a garage?

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Old 03-02-2007, 02:40 PM   #31
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3) Pop-Top trailers. This isn't a pop-top, only the upper 2' or so expands. The only US example I know of was an 18' Bantam - and of course a lot of truck campers...
The Hi-Lo is an example of this system, although maybe with more expansion travel than Mike is suggesting. It might be tough to apply to the Genesis format since it would be nice to allow access to the galley without having to raise the top, but I think it's an interesting idea.
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Old 03-02-2007, 02:45 PM   #32
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...we are considering a change to a new tire, an ST195/75D14D 8 Ply Sure Trail MTD which is rated for 1880 lbs.
It's great to hear that the Genesis is evolving in response to consumer feedback, and of course I certainly agree with the tire rating upgrade.

I still don't understand the widespread trailer practice of using very narrow high-pressure tires - even bias plys - instead of something more compatible with the handling characteristics of the likely tow vehicle. An ST205/75R14 (or larger) could stay with load range C and provide a softer ride, better in synch with the tug. I realize that my view in this area is not with the majority - perhaps options would be good, especially since there is a cost consequence.
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Old 03-02-2007, 02:53 PM   #33
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Steve,

I am afraid that I am one of those who would not buy it if I were in the market, because I would not like the galley kitchen outside. I am one of those who thinks her trailer is her hotel room on wheels. I like having no bugs (or at least only a few) and the air conditioning when cooking. That being said, I like the looks of your trailer; I think it is cute, and I envy the bathroom. What about a drop-down cooker inside, something that could be flipped up out of the way, but pulled down to cook?

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I am afraid that I am one of those who would not buy it if I were in the market, because I would not like the galley kitchen outside. I am one of those who thinks her trailer is her hotel room on wheels. I like having no bugs (or at least only a few) and the air conditioning when cooking. That being said, I like the looks of your trailer; I think it is cute, and I envy the bathroom. What about a drop-down cooker inside, something that could be flipped up out of the way, but pulled down to cook?

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We are thinking about making a slide out where the galley is now, and installing a dinette and kitchen inside, and perhaps being able to sleep four while keeping the 12 foot length. But for now this is only an idea, as we must get some traction in the market with what we are building now.

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We are thinking about making a slide out where the galley is now, and installing a dinette and kitchen inside, and perhaps being able to sleep four while keeping the 12 foot length. But for now this is only an idea, as we must get some traction in the market with what we are building now.

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I think there is more of a market there than where you are now. Most campers I know got into it because of kids (Price a week at DisneyWorld or a week at the state park for a family of 4 why don't ya?) or they got too old and creeky for sleeping on the ground. The trailer as is is sufficient for creeky Mom and Pop (maybe) or a robust single. The singles I know are a lot more cautious with the money they don't have. The bunk option would be a great start that I think will make it more attractive to a larger group. ) Double bunks, even better.
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I think Cindy is on to something. Here in the Pacific NorthWET the idea of going outside on a rainy morning at oh-dark-thirty to fix a cup of coffee doesn't appeal to me. But perhaps something along the lines of a tent-trailer where the stove can be disengaged from inside and put outside when wanted (or dry weather)...would be a good thing
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Here in the Pacific NorthWET the idea of going outside on a rainy morning at oh-dark-thirty to fix a cup of coffee doesn't appeal to me.
If that window between the couch and the galley were enlarged or reconfigured, it could be a pass-thru for access to at least the stove (turned sideways), and possibly the sink, and definitely the counter from the inside...
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If that window between the couch and the galley were enlarged or reconfigured, it could be a pass-thru for access to at least the stove (turned sideways), and possibly the sink, and definitely the counter from the inside...
You can't see it all that well from this picture but that's basically how they designed this teardrop. A section of the wall above the galley counter drops down on hinges and is suspended by chains. The dropdown acts as a table for those inside the camper.

Because the table can be dropped down from inside the camper, things on the galley counter can be reached from inside. I saw a picture a long time ago of how they had cut away the counter so it could be lifted up and the freezer/ice chest could also be accessed from inside. I could see that arrangement working here if instead of the jacknife sofa there were the usual convertible dinette inside the trailer. Such an arrangement might actually offer something unique in the world of small trailers, really comfortable seating for those trips where it rains for days on end and you are stuck inside reading and watching DVDs.

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Old 03-03-2007, 01:20 AM   #39
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I think it is wonderful to see another Fiberglass trailer on the Market. I love my Scamp 5er . But they are not for everyone. Not everyone camps in Soggy Oregon in Feb <drip, drip>
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For an even better pass-through, here is the (American) 15ft Grasshopper trailer with full external and internal access to its kitchen. In case it's not clear, the fridge is mounted high up behind the kitchen so its door opens forwards.


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Sorry if it causes offence, it's a stickie - but curiously the same idea would work in fiberglass....

Fitting this into the Genesis would be hard as the convertible couch would need to be pulled forwards, blocking the entry door.

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It is much too heavy for me and also the outside kitchen is NOT appealing. When it is raining or cold, I do NOT want to be outside cooking.

I don't need a big cooking area inside but I do want to be able to cook inside, if I have to.

I want a shorter version with a "pop top" like the Compact Jr.

Basically, what I am after is a place to sleep, high and dry, for 4 people, a port-a-potty storage area, storage and small kitchen. I also want at least a queen size bed that I can easily make up (like the Westfalia layout). The bed stays made up except for when the "couch" is set up. When it is time to go to bed, the "couch" goes down and I just put the fitted sheet around the corners and climb in.
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Remembering how many people live in So Cal and camp , an outside cooking area is a good idea especially considering that most camp in almost ideal conditions. My brother has a vintage Tear drop and loves the outdood cooking. He even has the original Canvas.
There are a lot of very cool ideas designed into this product. I wish them the best
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