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Old 04-13-2013, 06:14 PM   #71
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Wish John Warren were on here. He'd tell you none of them stick-built or glass are built a bit better than they need to be. But I luv my old Burro. 56"x84" rear bed is almost a queen. Glass inside and out except for a half dozen ledgers and nailers to carry shelves and catch fasteners. Easy to clean.

But all frogs got their good pints and bad. a 17' trailer and still really only handy for two people. Looks like an ice box inside; don't get the lovely, woody warmth of a bushwah kitchen in the burbs, all the can't doowidout modcons (teevee, m-wave) have to be retrofitted and then you have to watch the all up weight. Source of leaks not always easy to find because of the inner hull or liner.

Other designs, other problems. I prefer to think of sliders as small burgers. A lot of more is more is just biting off more than can be chewed and a lot of less is more is only reverse snobbery. Get what you want.

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Old 04-13-2013, 07:00 PM   #72
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....... Get what you want....... jack
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:19 PM   #73
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Each and every trailer has its advantages and disadvantages....

If stick built trailers are such a problem, how come nobody worries about stick built houses?
Actually, some folks do. I am one of those who would like to have a house made of steel-reinforced concrete. Possibly a monolithic dome. With tornadoes and hurricanes, termites, and fire, it only makes sense to adopt safer, more durable building methods.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:29 PM   #74
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Cool! Could make a hobbit home LOL
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Old 04-14-2013, 04:19 AM   #76
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Actually, some folks do. I am one of those who would like to have a house made of steel-reinforced concrete. Possibly a monolithic dome. With tornadoes and hurricanes, termites, and fire, it only makes sense to adopt safer, more durable building methods.
So tell us what your home is made of and the premium paid for a non wood framed construction. I think it is worth it. I too favor non conventional construction methods and am willing to pay the price.. but feel that I am in the minority. I have a SIP built house but no-one I know seems willing to pay the slight premium to build same to ensure the ongoing energy savings. Right now I'm laughing at the naysayers.
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Old 04-14-2013, 05:47 AM   #77
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Quote from post #68 "causing much the same damage to paneling, wood furniture and floors"
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Not totally true. You can submerge most FGRV's and still have something to build anew with. I have seen all to many sticky's with entire walls falling apart, roofs collapsed and cab-over sections drooping from water and ice damage. With fiberglass the basic shell usually survives. Take a 10 y.o. sticky to a dealer with more than minor water damage and it is "totaled". Yes, the windows, doors and roof hatches can also leak on a FGRV, but the structural damage from water leaks seen in sticky's doesn't occur.
Maybe from one limited perspective, but the structure of most molded fiberglass RVs is pretty minimal. 3/16th of an inch of chopper gunned fiberglass is pretty much a joke in the composite world. It is a shell, but not much more, and relies on the curved shape, interior cabinets, etc. for the structural integrity to keep the walls in position, etc. That's not necessarily a problem in that a trailer can be built around it, but nothing to brag about in the scheme of things. I'm not a fan of the Lil'Snoozy (I think the design is a step backwards), but that's the only company that has actually advanced things from a manufacturing perspective in the last 30 years. Really! I hate the design (its basically a pickup camper), and think the interior finish is pretty poor (as they initially proposed LRTM- which should produce a nice smooth interior), but hate choppered gun anything a whole lot more! So begrudgingly - hats off to Lil'Snoozy! I'll tip my hat again - it takes b---s to produce a trailer by an expensive quality method while other companies (old and new) produce cheap "chopper gun queens" (a marine expression) at cut rate production costs and full retail prices. And by the way, chopper gun production costs way less, weighs more, and is much weaker than the advanced production techniques of snoozy.

Remember, dealers get from 25 to 40 (or even more) % margin so, buying direct from the factory (pretty much all eggs), you should expect and demand exemplary service. Allowing you to select the fabric and a few minor modifications is not a custom build. They are making an extra 25-40$% so should earn this premium by making you completely happy. If you are buying a 15 to 20k (more nowadays) trailer, remember they are making an extra 3.5- 6 or even 8 + K over selling through a dealer, so demand the service - they owe it to you and are making almost obscene amounts of money from you. You deserve to be treated like a king/queen - you are paying for the privilage.
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Old 04-14-2013, 06:38 AM   #78
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Hi: GPJ... I'm glad that Escape uses "Hand Laid" glass mat then. All fiberglass trailers are built along the same lines as "Unibody" cars. Not much frame required!!! The cabinets are the sub frames. The fact that Escape bolts the molds together and lets the 1/2 shells dry into one takes longer and cost more. Think expensive boat building techniques.
I'm certainly bias specially when it's my money on the line... but to each their own!!!
I've seen to many stick built trailers in the RV shop with the aluminium skin peeled open and blackened rotted 1X2's and interior paneling being replaced because of water damage.
My bro-n-laws Monster 5th., that's the same year as our 5.0, has already had some flooring replaced due to a leaking improperly installed fresh water inlet...not to mention a new tranny for his slideout. In the last few years his repairs have been equal to the cost of a 25 yr. old fiberglass trailer.
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Wow what kind of mods is your wife wanting? I was at Scamp last fall and they sound like they will mod to customers specs. Not sure where you got your pricing but the 19' Scamp in the paperwork I got says $14495 for the Standard, $16695 for the Option Package and $20795 for the Deluxe Wood model. What mods does your wife insist on having the would raise the price to over $30000? Your only going camping, your not putting your house on wheels and taking everything you own with you.
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What mods does your wife insist on having the would raise the price to over $30000? Your only going camping, your not putting your house on wheels and taking everything you own with you.

I think he was referring to the base price of an Escape @ $24k and with options @$30k, not Scamp nor Casita.
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Still what kind of options do you need that cost $6000. Your going camping after all.
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Old 04-14-2013, 07:55 AM   #82
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So tell us what your home is made of and the premium paid for a non wood framed construction. I think it is worth it. I too favor non conventional construction methods and am willing to pay the price.. but feel that I am in the minority. I have a SIP built house but no-one I know seems willing to pay the slight premium to build same to ensure the ongoing energy savings. Right now I'm laughing at the naysayers.
Perhaps you should move to Florida where concrete block construction and terrazzo floors are the norm. There's whole developments in New Mexico where the houses are constructed partially underground to save energy. But unfortunately builders go with what's cheapest and you and I live too close to lumber country.
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Wow what kind of mods is your wife wanting? I was at Scamp last fall and they sound like they will mod to customers specs. Not sure where you got your pricing but the 19' Scamp in the paperwork I got says $14495 for the Standard, $16695 for the Option Package and $20795 for the Deluxe Wood model. What mods does your wife insist on having the would raise the price to over $30000? Your only going camping, your not putting your house on wheels and taking everything you own with you.
Escape with options= $29330.00 NEVER GOT A PRICE FROM SCAMP
SIX WEEKS AND STILL WAITING
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Escape with options= $29330.00 NEVER GOT A PRICE FROM SCAMP
SIX WEEKS AND STILL WAITING
Buy the stick built trailer.
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