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Old 08-05-2010, 09:54 AM   #15
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Keith The following is submitted a little tongue in cheek, but only a little. My wife and I backpacked in New Mexico, Arizona and Colorado for a period of approx 20 years. My wife was always concerned that we might become "bear bait" even though there have been only a very few documented sightings of grizzlys in the three states combined. My point to her, and others, is this; each year several persons are abducted from malls and shopping centers all around the country and killed. To consider camping in a tent in known bear country as high risk, although I don't recommend it, is somewhat a matter of perspective. Lee
I understand all this, I'm just saying that personally, I don't like tempting fate in some cases. I've certainly taken plenty of risks, and will do so again, but this one has always scared the "stuff" out of me. Whatever flips one's skirts up, is my philosophy.

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Old 08-12-2010, 12:08 PM   #16
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Read this account of the attack from someone who says they were there:

Grizzly Bear Attack Adventure Retirement
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Old 08-12-2010, 01:14 PM   #17
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I want to say that this is really sad news. What a horrible experience for these poor people!

I recently got back from several weeks in Montana. I was dry camping all alone at a dog training site about 4 hours away from Yellowstone. My biggest worry, when airing my dogs at dusk and early morning, was meeting up with a black bear. I tried to keep my dogs close to me and get them back into their crates ASAP. Any dog needing to "air" after sunset had to wait till morning. I felt safe in the trailer, but am very aware that a hungry bear could force his way into either my car or trailer if he so desires.

This is my second time in Montana (4 years ago, I spent a month using a friend's trailer while training in the Ronan Valley). During that trip I heard lots of stories of bear encounters and never ventured out in the dark.

Regarding weather, I experienced an extremely cold and rainy spring in Montana. Overnight temperatures at the training site dropped into the 30's. I very well understand why the grizzly bears at Soda Butte had become desperate.

Next trip, I think I'll take some bear/pepper spray.
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Old 08-12-2010, 01:33 PM   #18
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Read this account of the attack from someone who says they were there:

Grizzly Bear Attack Adventure Retirement
Thanks for posting this link. Very informative and it just reafirms my beliefs about all this. If I HAVE to sleep in Bear country, be sure, I'll be in a hard side with some fire-power at hand. It might not stop one, or some of the other POS's on the prowl these days, but someone will have a bad day at the least.

Just hope it's not me or mine or other innocents.

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Old 08-12-2010, 01:45 PM   #19
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I guess it like being in the smoky Mt. and running up on a mother with club's...four or five jump out of there car and race after her to take a picture,
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After reading the 1st hand account of the bear attack it brings a question to mind. How sturdy are these little eggs against 4 footed or even 2 footed predators? I have seen video of bears tearing into vehicles etc so nothing is gonna stop one of them entirely but what about smaller predators like Mountain Lions, Wolves etc? My folks live in WY and once we have our little egg we want camp summers in that part of the country so I'm curios as to just how touch molded figerglass is compared to the sticky built RV's? Those that have done complete renovations will probably have a good idea about how tough these little trailers are.

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Old 08-12-2010, 03:01 PM   #21
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These attacks I beleive are very few and far between. Most animals stay away from people if they can. If you think about how many people are camping on any given day in North America it may open your minds. More folks probably get in accidents going camping than having things go wrong when camping.
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Old 08-12-2010, 04:24 PM   #22
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After reading the 1st hand account of the bear attack it brings a question to mind. How sturdy are these little eggs against 4 footed or even 2 footed predators? I have seen video of bears tearing into vehicles etc so nothing is gonna stop one of them entirely but what about smaller predators like Mountain Lions, Wolves etc? My folks live in WY and once we have our little egg we want camp summers in that part of the country so I'm curios as to just how touch molded figerglass is compared to the sticky built RV's? Those that have done complete renovations will probably have a good idea about how tough these little trailers are.

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Melissa I will present my observations and my thoughts. As to bears in general, both black and grizzly, in 20 years of backpacking and 38 years of camping both tent and trailer I have only seen a half dozen black bears and 3 Grizzlies ( all from a distance ,thankfully ,greater than 100 yards ). That is not a lot of visual contact given the amount of exposure. Our fiberglass trailers are tough as nails but definitely could not keep a determined Grizzly out ( although many may be of such size that they would have a hard time getting through the door !). best defense, in my opinion pepper spray, secondly firearms. If one got in your trailer we do have escape windows, flee to the car, no keys, get under the car. Next Cougars, Mountain Lions etc. In the above mentioned time frames I have only seen one and that only a quick glimpse and it was gone. Mountain Lions, Cougars , from what I have gathered from accounts of attacks, seem to go after moving prey hence inside your trailer I would think you would be reasonably safe. Wolves ( and now the controversy will begin ) ,although they have a terrible reputation, do not have much of a history of fatal attacks on humans. On the web ( and we all know the web is never wrong ) I could find documentation of only two fatal attacks in North America in the last 100 years. One in northern Canada and one recently in Alaska. So as I indicated in my post earlier on this thread we come to the two legged predator and that is where the real danger lies but we accept that risk daily. Lee
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I've never had the need to fire off anything like mace or bear spray so I'm not familiar with the spray characteristics. If a bear was breaking into our camper and maybe had his/her head actually inside an opening, be it one that it created or perhaps a window or door it had torn through and we were to spray said bear, would the spray not fill the entire interior space of the camper and choke us as well? I would not want to be forced to leave the relatively safe confines of our trailer to enter the realm of the bear who might be just a little upset at anyone and everyone. I believe I would still lean a little more toward fire power than chemical deterrents.
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I think it would take a Big bad, mad bear to be able to break into a casita....
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They come BIG, Strong and can be very Determined; if you add Mad or even Hungry, we are really in trouble.

I am guessing, the weak points would be the Door and Windows.

YouTube - Bear Opening Truck Door (twice)
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Not 5 feet from my truck to the patio set, and in between me and the patio set was a Mommy Griz and 2 cubs who were in the process of going thru the dumpsters. I got my rear back in the truck and debated how to move the grizzly's so I could get my new patio set. LOL....... I finally gave up! Figured I wasn't gonna score this time and went on my merry way............ minus a new patio set.
Great story, Robin, but just to be a nitpicker, there are no grizz in Colorado, only black bears, which are a lot less aggressive. I just spent 3 weeks in Montana and the Canadian Rockies camped in a tent, where there are grizz, but I had bear spray and 2 dogs. There were a lot of others tent camping also. I can't say I felt entirely safe, but the odds are against anything happening, as most bears aren't aggressive. This was the same time the attack in Yellowstone happened, so I was on high alert. One night I slept in my SUV, as I was in a thick forest in an especially wild place in Canada. I missed my Casita. But I can tell you, a bear can break into about anything if determined enough. Bear spray is very effective and won't harm the bear, just teaches them to stay away from humans. Also works on other critters, including humans. You can't take guns nor mace into Canada, but you can take bear spray, which I did.
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that cool he used the handle, maybe he 's got a master key to start them too
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Old 08-15-2010, 06:11 PM   #28
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We are the most nature-loving animal friendly people I know but when it comes to our personal safety (4-legged or 2-legged animals), what hubby says for home applies to camping ...

"If anyone breaks in ... they ain't leavin."

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