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Old 08-22-2011, 09:19 PM   #15
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Ooops, I ment the 47th state, but the 48th would work as well. Got them mixed in my mind there. New Mexico, the 47th state, Arizona, the 48th. 1912 for both. Alaska the 49th - 1959.

Lower 48 are all the first 48 states.
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Old 08-22-2011, 10:21 PM   #16
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Joe Mac has it mostly right for Canada other than farmers as they can pretty much shoot any thing anytime to protect livestock or crops. We used to let bears have it with a 410 from the kitchen window when they'd get up in the apple trees in our small orchard. It wouldn't kill them but it'd sure make 'em high tail it outa there.
I should also mention that it's hunting and angling groups that are pushing to allow the carry of a side arm for protection. There are areas in Alberta if you don't have bear spray with you you could get a fine up to $400.
This year with the large forest fires we've had in northern Alberta there have been more in town sightings of wildlife not normally found in town. I leave for work at 5:30am and have seen bears wolves deer moose and my neighbour saw a cougar and I've seen it's tracks.
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Old 08-23-2011, 08:48 AM   #17
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Joe Mac has it mostly right for Canada .....
I don't know about other provinces but, for Ontario Joe's statement is not accurate. He wrote:
"as a rule, we are not allowed to carry a longun unless there is an open season on something and you have the licence for that species, and the gun has to be appropriate to that species as well.. rabbit season, a 22 or shotgun with bb's, not a 3006 or 4570 for example."

Well, in Ontario, outside prov. / national parks, in the areas where and when there is no open season for big game (deer, moose, elk, bear): there is virtually no restriction on the long guns. You can have with you any calibre you want.
When there is a big game open season, unless you have a valid hunting license for the species in season, you can't have anything larger than 22 rimfire or shotgun with shells loaded with #2 shot maximum. Except for few counties, if you decide to take out a grouse or w rabbit with a 7mm magnum, it's perfectly legal providing that you do have a hunting license.
Well, I'd say that fully chocked shotgun loaded with #2, in close quarters will stop any bear providing that you will have a chance to use it... It definitely would be safer make noise to scare it off from a distance. Safer than missing the kill shot and pissing the bear off.
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I served 2 tours in Viet Nam and know the stress of a fire fight.
Most of my adult life has been in Law Enforcement
I've been an avid shooter all my life and 99 % of the time I hit what I'm shooting at.
I think in the face of charging bear I would rather depend on my Bear
Spray than my .45.
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This is my "Bear Spray!" .500 S&W Magnum...Eat your heart out, Dirty Harry!



.44 Magnum vs .500 S&W Magnum.

The .500 S&W Magnum was designed to be primarily a handgun hunting cartridge. It also serves a secondary purpose as a back-up survival handgun cartridge as a defense against the large bears of North America. Due to its power, recoil, and size; the 500 S&W Magnum is a poor self-defense or concealed-carry weapon especially in an urban environment.
The .500 S&W Magnum’s success with large dangerous game is in part due the availability of heavier bullets with exceptional sectional densities. Bullets above 500-grain (32 g) have the sectional densities required for hunting heavier African dangerous game. As a hunting cartridge the .500 S&W Magnum has been found to be effective against elephant and African buffalo as long as ranges are kept within reasonable limits. Bullet selection is extremely important when hunting thick-skinned dangerous game. Smith & Wesson bills the Model 500 revolver as "A Hunting Handgun For Any Game Animal Walking".
In North America, it serves the purpose of hunting all North American big game species. The cartridge has had success in harvesting of Alaskan brown bear, American bison, moose, and elk. It is also used to hunt black bear, whitetail deer, wild boar, and feral hogs. The cartridge gained some notoriety as being the cartridge which was used to hunt the supposed Monster Pig.
Bullets ranging from 275–325 gr (17.8–21.1 g) can be used for light CXP2 game species. Bullets heavier than 350 gr (23 g), including Winchester’s reduced-load ammunition, are appropriate for use with CXP3 game species. Bullets over 500 gr (32 g) can be used for dangerous game. Hornady’s 500 gr. SP load is rated for CXP4 class dangerous game by Hornady out to 200 yd (180 m) against dangerous game, based on Hornady Index of Terminal Standards (H.I.T.S.)calculations.
The .500 S&W Magnum is available in firearms more convenient to carry than a full-sized rifle. This lends to its use as a defensive carry firearm in areas where dangerous predatory species may be encountered. The .500 S&W Magnum cartridge has found use in survival guns such as the NEF Handi Rifle and the S&W Survival Kit. It is carried in Alaska for defense against the bears. Smith & Wesson manufactures a 4-inch-barrel (100 mm) version of the Model 500 revolver which is included in the S&W Survival Kit. This shorter-barreled revolver is handier, weighing 56 oz (1.6 kg) and coming with a larger and more efficient muzzle brake than the more common Model 500 8.375 in (212.7 mm) revolvers.
The .500 S&W Magnum is a niche cartridge, in that it has little purpose outside its primary design purpose. The power, energy and recoil generated by the cartridge makes it a poor choice as a defensive handgun cartridge or for target shooting or general plinking. For a large part its popularity is owed to the cartridge being the most powerful handgun cartridge and the curiosity that inevitably follows any such moniker or claim.
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Perry J, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Casita Greg, that thing weighs about 4.5 lbs with the long barrel, doesn't it? I think I'd rather carry a shotgun. Some 20 gauges only weigh 1 lb more and will punch a larger hole. Similar muzzle velocity, too.

But if I had both a large firearm and UDAP repellent, with a bear coming I think I'd be likely to reach for the spray first. Hopefully I never will need to reach for anything, though... I don't want to see any bears up close and personal!
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Old 08-24-2011, 05:59 AM   #21
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I always keep a gun handy. It is a deterrant not only for any wildlife with evil intent, but is especialy convienent to deter the most dangerous creature of all --------the human.
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A gun is not meant to be a noisemaker. Carry an air-horn for that. Where do you expect to point the thing for noise-making? I was trained that the only direction you point a weapon is at a target you expect your round to penetrate. Other than for cleaning, target practice or competitive shooting, the only time a piece comes out of it's holster is when you intend to kill.
I agree with Adrian whole heartedly! Why would you want to kill such a beautiful animal if there's a chance to scare it away? It isn't practical to carry one of everything. If you have the time to fire a warning shot, you will be able to set yourself for a hit shot. The greater the distance you discharge the shot the greater the possibility of a miss or a wounding shot.

As a Canadian I'm not allowed to carry a handgun while hiking so I carry a small air horn as my noise maker. I have encountered black bears in the woods but have been lucky enough that they seemed more afraid of me than I of them. I am a former competitive marksman and taught gun safety and agree a firearm should remain holstered until being readied for use; as a noise maker to scare a bear seems like an appropriate use to me.
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It might be important to note that unarmed backpackers manage to survive trips through grizzly country all the time. Your brain is probably the best weapon in the wilderness.

If bears were the giant hairy menace you guys are making them out to be, we'd see national forest trails littered with the skeletal remains of hikers, and really they're not. Which is not to say folks should not be super careful, but seriously, bears are not lying murderously in wait for us to blunder through their territory.
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It might be important to note that unarmed backpackers manage to survive trips through grizzly country all the time. Your brain is probably the best weapon in the wilderness.

If bears were the giant hairy menace you guys are making them out to be, we'd see national forest trails littered with the skeletal remains of hikers, and really they're not. Which is not to say folks should not be super careful, but seriously, bears are not lying murderously in wait for us to blunder through their territory.
I dunno Jen b do we need more evidence than this?
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I dunno Jen b do we need more evidence than this?
Heh. I stand corrected!
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It might be important to note that unarmed backpackers manage to survive trips through grizzly country all the time. Your brain is probably the best weapon in the wilderness.

If bears were the giant hairy menace you guys are making them out to be, we'd see national forest trails littered with the skeletal remains of hikers, and really they're not. Which is not to say folks should not be super careful, but seriously, bears are not lying murderously in wait for us to blunder through their territory.
Sounds "offal"!,or do you just argue with him? If you were a politician maybe you could bore him to death with a pseudointellectual diatribe! Careful with that though, usually only humans are dumb enough to fall for it and you might just make him angry.

Don't forget what one of our most famous conservationists is supposed to have said...Walk softly but carry a BIG STICK!, Heck, and they named the world's most famous bear after him!
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while it is a pretty serious matter, it does invoke some light-hearted juxtaposition.
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If bears were the giant hairy menace you guys are making them out to be, we'd see national forest trails littered with the skeletal remains of hikers, and really they're not. Which is not to say folks should not be super careful, but seriously, bears are not lying murderously in wait for us to blunder through their territory.
Hehe Jen you are correct - my neighbourhood would also be littered with skeletal remains & our parks would closed all the time if black bears where considered to be so dangerous one needed to carry a gun for protection (actually doing that will land you in jail). Cant think of a time in the 20 years I have lived here when the forested mountain behind me has ever been closed due to bear concerns & we have a lot of bears in those woods and often in the neighourhood pools & hot tubes and they have even been known to go shopping at the local Safeway :-)

Here in BC we have the highest population of black bears in North America yet this summer we had our first human death in over 4 years - and no one knows for sure what actually happened in that case as know one else saw the attach.

You actually have a far higher chance of being killed by a car while walking down the street, being killed while snow boarding or falling off a cliff while hiking than being killed by a black bear.

Here is a link to what everyone is our community is taught in regards to what to do and not to do around bears:

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