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Old 11-09-2015, 07:00 PM   #29
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Bob, I was young at the time and would have drove it if it was on fire. There were 27 deaths attributed to the problem and I am not making light of them. There were 3 million cars produced. After the recall it was as safe as any other small car. Ford should have fixed it sooner and not put money before people. Otherwise the Pinto was a good car and outlasted it's rivals the Gremlen and Vega many times over.


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Old 11-09-2015, 07:28 PM   #30
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Sorry bob I can't get that info right now as it is 3000 miles from me but I'll see if I can get it from Derek when I talk to him. What I do know is when we looked for a tow vehicle we were upfront with all dealers and they were told of our intentions to tow the HC1and its weights. We were assured that this model countryman would meet there weight limits.
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Old 11-09-2015, 08:13 PM   #31
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In the summer of 1970 I had a custom hitch built for my Corvette and pulled this pop-up camper to Elkmont campground in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. I don't suppose I had ever pulled any kind of trailer prior to this trip with 3 of my college buddies. I doubt the Corvette was rated to pull anything but it made the trip just fine and being 20 years old and indestructible, I'm sure no speed limits were observed. These were the days of $.32 gasoline and 65 MPH so who cared?
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Old 11-09-2015, 08:24 PM   #32
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In the summer of 1970 I had a custom hitch built for my Corvette and pulled this pop-up camper to Elkmont campground in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. I don't suppose I had ever pulled any kind of trailer prior to this trip with 3 of my college buddies. I doubt the Corvette was rated to pull anything but it made the trip just fine and being 20 years old and indestructible, I'm sure no speed limits were observed. These were the days of $.32 gasoline and 65 MPH so who cared?

That is cool. It is amazing what we did before the nanny state came along. And your name is......😁 We used to go to Elkmont and stay at the Wonderland Hotel. It is gone now 😿


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Old 11-09-2015, 08:29 PM   #33
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I'm surprised, that as a former Pinto owner you weren't more aware of the Pinto recall situation and that Ford initially made the decision that it was cheaper to pay off the fatality claims than fix the problem. I guess that was called "Good Business Practice" at the time.

The "fix" was to put a plastic buffer shield between the gas tank and the rear axle. When my late wife's Pinto couple was rear ended it ruptured the gas tank, but as it was almost empty (and with a lot of other luck) it didn't ignite.

The other fix was that no one would buy a used one, and many met the crusher before their usual wear out time of 75,000 miles. Only the Corvair may have suffered more than the Pinto as a result of an engineering/corporate error.

As far as overblown, one unnecessary death was one to many, and the hundreds of deaths attributed to the problem are beyond the pale....
http://ridgepoinths.com/wp-content/u...into-Case1.pdf
You've been reading the propaganda which all proved to be false, especially when Ford and the Pintos were vindicated in court. Still the winningest amateur American roadrace car, rock solid reliable and a thrill to drive. You've never owned a more reliable car.
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Old 11-09-2015, 08:32 PM   #34
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Yes they did and yes I saw it! I'm not sure how much of a "sports car" you need I scooped this picture out of an OLD business card thread.
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Old 11-09-2015, 08:37 PM   #35
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WOW... it sounds like the rest of the cars you owned must have consisted of AMC Pacers, Yugo's and some of those wonderful Chrysler Corp K-Cars.

BUT... all is not lost, there is one other person on this site that loves the Pinto, it's just that 99% of America doesn't agree, especially after a rear end collision, but don't take it personally... LOL
Ford Pinto: Deathtrap Cars - AskMen

And Yes, I owned a Pinto, a 1974 Wagon... YUK
The thing is 99% of Pinto owners loved them. Many bought several. I owned a 1971, 1976, two1977s, and still own my 1980. I certainly don't need some ersatz popularity contest to know value when I see it. Who wouldn't want this Pangra turbo in his garage?...
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Bob, I was young at the time and would have drove it if it was on fire. There were 27 deaths attributed to the problem and I am not making light of them. There were 3 million cars produced. After the recall it was as safe as any other small car. Ford should have fixed it sooner and not put money before people. Otherwise the Pinto was a good car and outlasted it's rivals the Gremlen and Vega many times over.


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The 27 deaths mentioned were only those that were included in the NHTSA investigation and do not count all that occurred before the investigation and were not yet linked to the later identified problem, nor any that occurred after the investigation, nor did it include those that were burned or otherwise injured from the fires. If nothing else, read the last paragraph in this link.
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Old 11-09-2015, 08:53 PM   #37
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You've been reading the propaganda which all proved to be false, especially when Ford and the Pintos were vindicated in court. Still the winningest amateur American roadrace car, rock solid reliable and a thrill to drive. You've never owned a more reliable car.

I never drove one in a road race but I certainly pushed mine through a bunch of curves in the Carolina mountains. That is where I learned to wear the seatbelt. I couldn't stay in the slick vinyl bucket any other way.





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Old 11-09-2015, 08:56 PM   #38
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I purchased a 1972 Pinto Runabout brand new, my first new car. LOVED that car, other than the fact the cowl vent from the exterior was never sealed properly and when it rained... it rained INSIDE. Because the track was almost square... terrific car in the snow (rose-colored glasses on).
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Old 11-09-2015, 09:45 PM   #39
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You've been reading the propaganda which all proved to be false, especially when Ford and the Pintos were vindicated in court. Still the winningest amateur American roadrace car, rock solid reliable and a thrill to drive. You've never owned a more reliable car.
Ford was found not guilty of criminal negligence and in the 80's the NHTSA was still a very weak department that had little bite. Hardly a vindication. And, as mentioned, my late wife's Pinto coupe suffered a split open fuel tank when rear ended in city traffic. Hardly an example of false propaganda.

And I have owned a number of cars much more reliable than the Pinto wagon we owned for several years, ranging from 60's Volvo's to my 2003 GMC Sonoma.
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Sorry bob I can't get that info right now as it is 3000 miles from me but I'll see if I can get it from Derek when I talk to him. What I do know is when we looked for a tow vehicle we were upfront with all dealers and they were told of our intentions to tow the HC1and its weights. We were assured that this model countryman would meet there weight limits.
Okey Dokey... I'll check back in when we get back from Yosemite.
But I really hope that you didn't just take a salesman's word for a towing rating.
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Old 11-09-2015, 11:03 PM   #41
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Hello egg beaters!
I have been easily pulling the 1100 LB Happier Camper HC1 with a Mini Cooper Countryman.
We chose the vehicle as its small, fun and fits the brand of the Happier Camper, it says MINI in the name so i think its a good selling point. We chose to get a white one so it fits all of the HC1 color models nicely, it really is a awesome brings the trailer attention, it is a marketing vehicle for us.

The Countryman we have is the higher 181 HP "S" model with the 4x4 all wheel drive option. Im not sure on the standard models specs.
We have standard electronic breaks on the HC1 with a 7 pin connector. The car pulls the trailer incredibly easy and its really a joy to drive. I find that with the trailer i loose about 3 miles per gallon on fuel efficiency, i drive most of the time in "sport mode" it makes hills and valleys easy. The electric breaks on the HC1 work very well and i have them dialed into a setting that works with the car nicely, i would not suggest pulling a trailer with a small car without electronic breaks.

Its hard to find towing capacity in the US on several cars listed, but the same models are found globally and the Mini Countryman has towing capacity listed at a 1915Lb with a 200Lb tong weight.
This is a the hitch listed and i had it installed at my local Uhaul dealer.
The car is low to the ground, so you can bottom out on driveways, i would suggest having the 7pin receiver drilled into the rear bumper, and not underneath the bumper. In general its a good idea to not pull a trailer that is more then 1/3 the vehicles weight, the countryman is about 3800Lbs, so the HC1 1100Lbs is within that range. That said, i would not recommend using the HC1s 3500GWR to its fullest when pulling with a light weight car.

As always, use your best judgement and drive safe!
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Old 11-09-2015, 11:08 PM   #42
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I don't understand where the OP is coming from! I own two vehicles, a Mazda MX5 (Miata) that I love to push through corners, accelerate rapidly, break hard, and generally pound on. I use the Nissan Frontier for towing because it is designed to tow, and I can't drive like a sports car when towing. Combining a sports car as a tow vehicle seems to compromise both rolls.
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