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Old 04-16-2013, 12:50 PM   #71
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LOL Tom you are a newbie! LOL - pretty sure if one takes the time to look back over the years you will find a few examples of what Ray has mentioned. But you want links here is one for you. New to Tow Vehicle Ford note post #5 which reads in part:

Originally Posted by Floyd.

"It is so difficult sometimes for people to understand that not everybody wants an oversized truck, especially since a Ranger can be outfitted to outtow a fullsized V6 truck and even an occasional V8 fullsized truck.
My Ranger has the same transmission and rear axle as it's contemporary fullsized truck and more horsepower and torque than the fullsized V6 offering. The regular cab has more head and leg room as well...All that and the fun of driving a decent sized truck and the ability to access the box!"


Sorry Floyd!! Just couldnt help myself!
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I place Escape just below Bigfoot.
My reason is the extra space inside.

Bottom line is anything Fiberglass will last, the other makers are fine in my book.
Nothing like being warm and dry in spring or fall.

I think your all nice people even if you don't have a Bigfoot.
Does a size 12 shoe count?
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:26 PM   #73
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Thats pretty well how they stack up for me as well but I would add one more:

Oxygen - Coolest looking!


Oh, I thought the rates were based on newer models, but if were gonna get into vintage out of production glass trailers,

I would have to say that the Wilerby would win coolest looking in my book! Don't get me wrong, I think "Oxygens" are pretty cool looking too! But the Wilerby makes my cool meter, red line............
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Oh, I thought the rates were based on newer models, but if were gonna get into vintage out of production glass trailers,

I would have to say that the Wilerby would win coolest looking in my book! Don't get me wrong, I think "Oxygens" are pretty cool looking too! But the Wilerby makes my cool meter, red line............
Oh so do I but I have never seen one in person and suspect few of us ever will! just kept my chooses to the ones there was half a chance of actually owning!
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LOL Tom you are a newbie! LOL - pretty sure if one takes the time to look back over the years you will find a few examples of what Ray has mentioned. But you want links here is one for you. New to Tow Vehicle Ford note post #5 which reads in part:

Originally Posted by Floyd.

"It is so difficult sometimes for people to understand that not everybody wants an oversized truck, especially since a Ranger can be outfitted to outtow a fullsized V6 truck and even an occasional V8 fullsized truck.
My Ranger has the same transmission and rear axle as it's contemporary fullsized truck and more horsepower and torque than the fullsized V6 offering. The regular cab has more head and leg room as well...All that and the fun of driving a decent sized truck and the ability to access the box!"


Sorry Floyd!! Just couldnt help myself!
No apology needed, It's nice to have a decent sized truck to pull a decent sized trailer, That is the point of the smaller fiberglass trailers and the Ranger.

Ray's apparent assertion that every TV aught to tow at it's limit, is his , not mine. Maybe that too comes from reading Consumer Reports?

Having an oversized trailer, pulled by an oversized truck, is a problem. Having more power and capacity in a package fit to drive is not.
I simply prefer a TV which is fit to drive when not towing as well as when towing. I also like the ability to parallel park and access drive-up windows while towing.
Not wanting an oversized trailer comes from the same philosophy as not wanting an oversized truck.
I don't think I would want to tow a 19 Escape with my Ranger nor would I choose to pull a 19 Escape with the full sized truck described in my comment which you quoted out of context.
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I'm just laughing at this latest example of all things being relative...In my opinion, the Escape 19 IS an "oversized trailer"- and so's anything else over 2,000 pounds!

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Well that Francesca pretty well takes anything 16' and over off your list ;-)
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Depends on the age and added ca-ca...in Scamp's case, for example, pre-1990 16 footers weighed around 1400 pounds dry, putting them in the same weight class as my first-gen Trillium. I could easily keep gross weight at/near 2,000 pounds.

They seem to have gotten progressively heavier beginning in 1990 or so...all Scamp 16 footers are definitely not created equal, weight-wise.



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Francesca, your right they are not all the same - Scamps 16' side bath historically weighs a little less than other floor plans. Mine is a pretty basic 16' side bath, no ac, no microwave, oven or real wood in it & it has a small fridge ..... weighs in at 2450lb loaded for camping - one person, no water.

But the brochure that I was given along with the original order form for it states the 16' weighed 1500lbs dry plus a 120lb hitch weigh dry - total 1620lbs. The brochure although it was handed out in 92 in typical Scamp fashion it appears to be a little out of date - suspect by the photos of the tugs in it and dress of the people it was actually printed in the 80's. I also though have the actual order sheet which is dated 1991 and it shows only a 50lb total weight increase over what the brochure states for dry weight. The reality is that once you add a battery, full propane, a couple of overhead bins, stove top, fridge, toilet, hot water tank, rock guard etc - which you can be sure where not included in the dry weight advertised in the brochure the weight starts to climb fast - just as it does with all trailers today.

Personally would be surprised if there ever was a 16' Scamp that weighed in under 1500 lbs - even an empty one.
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LOL Francesca I just dug out the original Owner Manual issued with my 92 Scamp 16' it reads: "Weight Approx 1300lbs' "Hitch weight approx 120lbs" - note no mention of that being dry weight. As I said above not a chance it ever weighed that. LOL

Funny enough the manual also gives the weight for a 13' - it reads "Weight Fully Equipped: Approx 950 lbs" again in this situation they actually state fully equipped so its not a dry weight. Funny enough there isnt a 13' scamps on the real world weights under 1500 lbs - the lightest is 1620 lbs with most of the others closer to 2000lbs than 1500 lbs. I would be very surprised if all the 13' Scamps that have been weighed were all 90's or newer.
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I am planning on retiring in a few years and traveling full-time in the U.S./Canada for 2 years (just myself and cats). I have never towed and am trying to educate myself ahead of time. I liked the Chalet XL 1935 but now am leaning towards the Escape 17B, mainly because of the cats. I have a 2011 Subaru Outback 3.6R which can tow 3000lbs, and just realized I may need a different vehicle to tow the Escape with dry weight 2100. I travel and camp alot, but this is new to me. Any advice would be appreciated....McKenna in Colorado
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Welcome Lynn,
To FRV and our family. You may want to start your own thread over here
Escape Trailer Owners Community for some answers.
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I am planning on retiring in a few years and traveling full-time in the U.S./Canada for 2 years (just myself and cats). I have never towed and am trying to educate myself ahead of time. I liked the Chalet XL 1935 but now am leaning towards the Escape 17B, mainly because of the cats. I have a 2011 Subaru Outback 3.6R which can tow 3000lbs, and just realized I may need a different vehicle to tow the Escape with dry weight 2100. I travel and camp alot, but this is new to me. Any advice would be appreciated....McKenna in Colorado
Hello! I agree with Jim; you will get plenty of information and advice if you post on the Escape Forum. However, I don't think you can go wrong with an Escape trailer (we have a 19ft. but also owned two 17ft. Escapes)! There are lots of happy owners and a wealth of information about tow vehicles on the forum. I think a larger tow vehicle would be good. You might want to look at a few Escape trailers and compare to other brands; we have not found many that compare in quality, but everyone has different needs so it pays to look around and see them in person.
Good luck in your adventure!
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I am planning on retiring in a few years and traveling full-time in the U.S./Canada for 2 years (just myself and cats). I have never towed and am trying to educate myself ahead of time. I liked the Chalet XL 1935 but now am leaning towards the Escape 17B, mainly because of the cats. I have a 2011 Subaru Outback 3.6R which can tow 3000lbs, and just realized I may need a different vehicle to tow the Escape with dry weight 2100. I travel and camp alot, but this is new to me. Any advice would be appreciated....McKenna in Colorado
Since the main part of your question has to do with the tow vehicle, I think you'd do better to ask it in a Subaru forum...

But as a starting point, I advise a careful perusal of your vehicle owner's manual. I took a quick look at one online. It's true that your vehicle has a "tow limit" of 3,000 pounds, but there's more to be considered than just that number. There's language there as to limits on long uphill stretches, but perhaps more important and really the limiting factor for you is that the trailer tongue weight can't exceed 200 pounds.
Period.
(There are no modifications one can make to increase that number, by the way.)

Since for purposes of towing stability, most non-European camptrailers must be towed with a minimum tongue weight of 10% of loaded trailer weight, the Escape 17 clearly will exceed this limit by at least a hundred pounds once loaded.

The evident disconnect between the stated tow limit and the low allowable tongue weight is easily explainable and very common in vehicles of this size/class. Boats are the most commonly towed units by vehicles of this type, and since due to differences in design they can be safely towed with a lower tongue-to-total ratio, a 200 pound tongue weight with a 3000 pound boat would be perfectly stable. ( In all cases, trailer weights over 1,000 pounds do require trailer brakes.)

I frankly agree with your hunch that you'll need to consider more tow vehicle (or less trailer).

Good luck!

Francesca


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It's agonizingly slow to load, but here's a link to the online 2011 Outback Owner's Manual
It covers all models including your 3.6, and trailer towing info starts at page "8-19".

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