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Old 01-21-2015, 01:35 PM   #15
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I think the only real change that folks who frequently visit the US need to be aware of is that they will be sharing info as to when we come and go - assuming what ever issues that are currently holding the legislation up are cleared. So it may be best to keep a trip log in the car and record your visits. It doesn't take long for the days to add up. Looking at your passport doesnt help as neither side stamps it when crossing by car.

For example I just counted up the number of days I have already planned to spend camping in the US this spring/summer and between a couple of Fiberglass trailer meets, vintage trailer meets, a music festival, an annual Forth of July camping party, a golf trip and a couple of camping week-ends with friends I will have accumulated just over 60 days in the US... but I still have lots of unplanned week-ends open during the regular camping season and if circumstances permit I would not mind spending time camping south next winter as I have done some years in the past ..... may have to restrict my online shopping trips to avoid going over the line to just pick up a package from the US mail box and limit my one day shoe shopping trips with girlfriends. Will also need to watch when booking flights to other parts of the world that I don't use connecting flights out of the US.

If one does not keep tabs on the number of days you might end up having a discussion at the border on one of your trips as to just how many days you have been in the US in the past year. I don't know about anyone else but I like to keep my stops at the border short and sweet and limit the discussion time with the man in the booth and avoid filling in as few customs forms as possible.
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Old 01-21-2015, 02:04 PM   #16
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FWIW (if anything at all) I don't think that passing through the U.S. on connecting flights to 3rd countries counts. Don't they route you through a holding area?
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FWIW (if anything at all) I don't think that passing through the U.S. on connecting flights to 3rd countries counts. Don't they route you through a holding area?
Last two flights in very recent times I have had to clear US customs when changing flights in the US. Have to go collect your luggage, go through US customs then rebook your luggage in and go through airport screening all over again. A pain in the bu** A lot depends on where you are flying into the US from though. For example if you fly out of Vancouver they have you clear US customs at the Vancouver airport. But if you fly in from Countries that don't have US customs at their airports (and many do not) you will have to go through US customs before you can change flights back into Canada. And yes reading the travel blogs that will count as a day in the US even if you where simple passing through.
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All we do is spend money when we're down there,,?
Guess it's not enough!
A lot of Florida and Arizona businesses enjoy Canucks, well at least their
money and not having to worry about how many pistols are in the camper!
I don't get it?
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Old 01-21-2015, 05:31 PM   #19
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I personally think this is being blown all out of proportion. The rules haven't changed; it's just the "big brother is watching and tracking you technology" has gotten more intrusive.


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The time limits are imposed on at least two sides - provincial health insurance requirements, while they vary from province to province, limit the amount of time one can spend outside the province or be at risk of losing their coverage.

US INS limits any visitor (not just Canadians) to six months before one must leave the country, although there is a method for applying for extensions to this.

There are also limits placed on me personally because I collect OAS...CPP can be paid worldwide but OAS is a 'benefit' of living in Canada. I have to be present and accounted for in Canada for 183 days in each year.

The 'closer connection' rule is a somewhat complicated calculation of days spent in the US over rolling 3 year periods. For 2014 it's this:

31 days during 2014 AND 183 days during the period of 2014, 2013 and 2012, counting all the days of physical presence in 2014 but only 1/3 of the number of days of presence in 2013 and only 1/6 the number of days in 2012.

You can still qualify for the 'closer connection' exemption for US taxation if you maintain a tax and a physical presence in Canada.

For example, I can spend up to 182 days in the US in 2015 because I get paid in Canada, have Canadian bank accounts, pay Canadian taxes, have a Canadian place of residence etc. etc.

The only difference now is that I will have to file a form with the US IRS to prove that I am exempt from paying US income tax on my worldwide income (which is all Canadian). I'll have to do that now that entry and exit is being so closely tracked. The rules have always been in place but there was little way of enforcing them effectively.

I have the 2014 form on my desk and before I lose track of how much time I was in the US for 2013 and 14, I have written all the trips down for future reference.

Other than keeping track of how many days, the form is relatively simple. mostly checking boxes off and repeatedly writing Canada in multiple places...

Just more paperwork to be done tis all!
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Hi Carol,

Thanks for the post.

I have 2 questions.

What happens to the Canadian that spends over the 120 day limit in the US?

Is there a limit on the time a US citizen spends in Canada, and if so, what happens to them, if they go over that limit?

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Hi Mark,
If a Canadian stays in the U.S longer than 120 they will have to pay income tax in both countries. If they live in Ontario they put their O.H.I.P. (ontario health insurance plan) at risk as well.
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If a Canadian stays in the U.S longer than 120 they will have to pay income tax in both countries. If they live in Ontario they put their O.H.I.P. (ontario health insurance plan) at risk as well.
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Sorry but that's not quite right!

If you stay in the US longer than an aggregated formula (see my post above) you must file form 8840 Closer Connection Exception Statement for Aliens to prove to the US IRS that you don't have to file a US income tax return.

As long as you file the above form correctly you are exempt from filing the tax return, unless of course you have US income which is a whole other ball of wax.

Ontario Health Insurance requires presence in the province of 6 months. Other provinces have different limits - for example BC allows residents of that province to be outside the province for up to 7 months...you can still only stay in the US for 6 months because of their visitor regulations but you can travel to other provinces without fear of losing your health insurance.
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the real culprit....

or bottom line reason for the changes is the US trying to collect all of the money it is owed under the US tax code....

the US is the only industrialized country that taxes its citizens on income earned OUTSIDE the US....

the "logic" or extension of such a policy is that if some people are in the states for more than some alloted time calculation the US wants to consider them "citizens" and tax their income no matter where it is earned or comes from

the intent of the new regulations probably don't have anything to do with retired Canadians travelling in little FG trailers watching their pennies while catching a few rays of sunshine in the middle of winter.....but with all government regulation (especially one as over-reaching as the US tax code) they get caught in the net....

so now besides watching their pennies.....they have to watch the calendar
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You don't have to be a "citizen" to get taxed in the US of A, we are an equal opportunity taxing entity, we get our money any place we can....LOL
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All we do is spend money when we're down there,,?
Guess it's not enough!
A lot of Florida and Arizona businesses enjoy Canucks, well at least their
money and not having to worry about how many pistols are in the camper!
I don't get it?
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Fred, relax. The Americans I know and associate with, all welcome Canadian visitors, and not just for their money. We enjoy our trips to the great white north just as much. I believe Carl (CPW) is correct. The government is just getting more clever in tracking us in order to get their due.

Other than respect, none of the folks I tend to hang with would give your trailer full of pistols a second thought. I'm assuming you are an honorable man of good intent of course. Observe the law and you'll have no problem here. I don't think we're supposed to discuss firearms, and I won't, other to say I'm a sheep dog. Untitled Document

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Well, maybe not all Canadians are as welcome as most. Just thinking of a singular individual singer (?) who's initials are JB. Apparently entry lines into Canada have been slower as of late due to checks to verify that he is not trying to sneak back home..... LOL


Not to say that there aren't a few natives down here that we wouldn't like to export ourselves, but we wouldn't do that to Canada.....
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We make an annual fishing trip to Manitoba Canada . The Canadian Border Guards always ask for the purpose of our visit even though we are towing a boat full of fishing gear . They also ask where we are staying and where we will be fishing . We told them the name of the lake ( Moose Lake) When we arrived at US customs on our return trip ,the US Border Agent checked our I'D' s and then asked " How was fishing on Moose Lake" Was the US Border Agent a psychic or was it just a lucky guess ?
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We make an annual fishing trip to Manitoba Canada . The Canadian Border Guards always ask for the purpose of our visit even though we are towing a boat full of fishing gear . They also ask where we are staying and where we will be fishing . We told them the name of the lake ( Moose Lake) When we arrived at US customs on our return trip ,the US Border Agent checked our I'D' s and then asked " How was fishing on Moose Lake" Was the US Border Agent a psychic or was it just a lucky guess ?
LOL well as they shouldn't have had access at that time to the Canadian entry info I am going to suggest it was a good guess! There is a large vintage trailer meet held each year close to a small border crossing. When crossing over to attend the meet it is not uncommon for the US border staff to say "let me guess your heading to the Lynden trailer meet?"

Normally though the asking of questions as to where your going and where you will actually staying is the second question asked - right after asking the purpose of your visit to their country. They are attempting to catch you out on the story as to why you are entering the county. If you can't give them specifics as to exactly where your going quickly you can be sure more questions will follow.

Funny enough since I started pulling with a truck and if I am traveling on my own the second most common question asked aside from where exactly am I going camping is: "Are you the registered owner of the truck and the trailer." But if I have a male passenger with me I am never asked that.
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