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Old 10-30-2018, 08:11 PM   #1
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Insulation Boler vs. Trillion vs. Scamp etc.

I'm currently looking into getting my first trailer. I will mostly use it for winter camping, but don't need anything fancy or big as I would just stay out for two or three nights most of them time. I tried to find out which of the 13 or max. 17 footers has the best insulation. I have heard the Scamp supposed to be the best, but they are rare to find here in Canada. As much as I could find on the internet, the Trilliums have a better insulation than the Bolers, Surf Sides etc. Can anyone comment on that? Any information will be much appreciated.

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Old 10-30-2018, 08:16 PM   #2
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In Canada and available? Bigfoot hands down. Just be aware, not all Bigfoot of all years are four-season trailers.
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The Oliver Elite 17 has double wall construction and is fully insulated. The tanks are also mounted between the inner and outer shells for freeze protection. These might be worth a look.
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Old 10-30-2018, 08:42 PM   #4
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None of the single wall trailers you mentioned have any significant insulation advantage. Scamp reports a high insulation value on their website but its bogus. Pretty much all of them are single wall trailers, with a very thin insulating liner on the inside to prevent condensation.

As far as Bigfoot, only some of their trailers are four seasons.

In addition, all of the trailers you mentioned have single pane windows, which lose heat rapidly.

An Escape 17 can be ordered with thermopane windows and an insulation package. Thats better, but IMHO, not a match for the four season trailers out there (Oliver and Bigfoot).



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Old 10-31-2018, 10:12 AM   #5
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OP mentions "in Canada" - but indicates 'California' ? Could be a big difference in the concern for 'insulation' ? When and when, will the 'winter camping' occur ? We've had much experience 'winter camping' on the north shore of Lake Superior with truck slide-ins and pull-trailers; but with no use of 'on-board' water.
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:23 AM   #6
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Thanks bullfrogeh for pointing that out. I tried to change the state/province to Alberta, but it somehow always seems to default to California. Will try tonight on my PC again and if it doesn't work I will contact one of the admins.

As for where and when, I'm planning on using the trailer mainly from late November to April here in the Canadian Rockies. It doesn't need to be at +25C all the time as even +5C is warm compared to -25C in my tent ;-) I also wasn't planning on having any water in the systems, might even remove the plumbing all together. Just a big water jug or melting snow did the job so far and will do it in the future as well.
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:42 AM   #7
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For a modest-size 4-season camper, all the self-enclosed egg ones can be upgraded with custom windows and floor insulation. There are specialty firms that can do this and upgrade the inadequate frame to boondocking capability at the same time. If you want a referral, just let me know.

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Old 10-31-2018, 10:55 AM   #8
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I don't want to spend too much money on it and first see what I would need/like to have and then do most of the work myself. However, it would be nice to have such a contact just in case.
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The original 3 season 17' Bigfoot has 1" of Styrofoam in the floor, walls, and ceiling. It's not up to modern standards, but tops anything made between 1978 and 2004.
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For a modest-size 4-season camper, all the self-enclosed egg ones can be upgraded with custom windows and floor insulation. There are specialty firms that can do this and upgrade the inadequate frame to boondocking capability at the same time. If you want a referral, just let me know.

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I don't want to spend too much money on it and first see what I would need/like to have and then do most of the work myself.

I live in my 17-ft Bigfoot year-round. It's not a 4-season trailer by any means, but it's one of the older ones, so there's a decent amount of insulation. I wanted more, though, even though I live in a pretty temperate climate.

What I came up with may sound nuts, but I'm experimenting this year with those inexpensive foam egg-crate mattress toppers. I've cut each to fit snugly into the back, top, & (sometimes) sides of all my cupboards, cubbies, & the closet. I cut the foam a bit oversize, so it holds itself in place. You'll lose a bit of space, but the up side is that it helps keep your life clutter-free.

I can't access all the areas that could use some extra insulation, but this has already made a noticeable difference. And, it's cheap! I'll let you know how it works out -- or not.
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I'm curious to hear some fabricator recommendations in the US.
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Old 11-01-2018, 06:48 AM   #13
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Thanks everyone for the answers and information. If anyone has some other ideas, it would be appreciated to come forward with them. I like Eva's idea with starting inside the cabinets, so please let us know how it works long term. There seems to be quite a bit of interest on that topic.
I also wonder if anyone ever put spray foam directly onto the factory ensolite interior as ripping the ensolite out seems to be a major pain
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Old 11-01-2018, 06:49 AM   #14
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Sorry Evelyn, the spell check turned Ev into Eva.
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