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Old 12-24-2006, 07:03 PM   #29
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Buon Natale, Susy e Rob.

Anche buon Capo di Anno.

Approximative Italiano?

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Old 12-24-2006, 08:00 PM   #30
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I wish you understand what I want to say, because I'm aware that my English is much approximative
Suzy, we understand your writing just fine! Your English is substantially better than my Italian. If we had to communicate and you didn't understand English as well as you do, I'd be drawing pictures and you'd have to figure out what I meant! Your English is perfectly adequate! My Italian, on the other hand, is... well... my entire Italian vocabulary is "spaghetti" and "vino".

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Old 12-25-2006, 02:49 PM   #31
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Which ? I don't know them, Brian.
It seems that every time we see information about a new European fiberglass trailer in this forum, they are assembled from multiple panels, which is how they achieve shapes in which the walls and roof could not be moulded as one piece. We have seen construction photos clearly showing the framework, but these may not be typical of common designs. The Cadet and Captain designs are older examples of such a shape, and I thought that they had been described as having internal framework, although I could have misunderstood.

Perhaps there is no framing, the panels do form the structure, and the only difference is that the joints are on the edges of these squared designs (like the newest BIOD), rather than around the middle like the North American two-piece standard "egg" (and the Lander and older BIODs)?
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Old 12-25-2006, 05:23 PM   #32
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It seems that every time we see information about a new European fiberglass trailer in this forum, they are assembled from multiple panels, which is how they achieve shapes in which the walls and roof could not be moulded as one piece. We have seen construction photos clearly showing the framework, but these may not be typical of common designs. The Cadet and Captain designs are older examples of such a shape, and I thought that they had been described as having internal framework, although I could have misunderstood.

Perhaps there is no framing, the panels do form the structure, and the only difference is that the joints are on the edges of these squared designs (like the newest BIOD), rather than around the middle like the North American two-piece standard "egg" (and the Lander and older BIODs)?
Brian, I don't know the details of the Predom (aka Cadet).
In fact it is not important of how many molded parts a body consists as long as the parts are laminated to one seemless unit. The latest models of BIOD consist of 5 parts: front, rear, roof and 2 sides. This is done because it is more simple to introduce longer or shorter models. Molds are very expensive.
Till now the molded parts of the BIODs are hand laminated, resulting in a single layer with a thickness of about 4 mm. They are now introducing the vacuum technique resulting in thinner inner and outer layers with insulation in between.
The Lander has double layers with insulation in between.
The Predom parts are of the single layer type.
There are hardly new grp trailers in Europe. There have been introduced 2 small molded grp trailers from a Portugese manufacturer.
And they all have got no framing.
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Old 12-25-2006, 06:08 PM   #33
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Brian, I don't know the details of the Predom (aka Cadet).
In fact it is not important of how many molded parts a body consists as long as the parts are laminated to one seemless unit. The latest models of BIOD consist of 5 parts: front, rear, roof and 2 sides. This is done because it is more simple to introduce longer or shorter models. Molds are very expensive.
This is the biggest difference which I noticed between the typical North American egg (as well as the Lander and older BIOD) and designs such as the newer BIOD: the traditional eggs use only two pieces, presumably to minimize the cost of bonding the panels and finishing the joints to achieve a "seamless" body. I thought that the Predom panels were assembled to a frame, but maybe not - can a Cadet or Captain owner help here?

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Till now the molded parts of the BIODs are hand laminated, resulting in a single layer with a thickness of about 4 mm. They are now introducing the vacuum technique resulting in thinner inner and outer layers with insulation in between. The Lander has double layers with insulation in between. The Predom parts are of the single layer type.
That single layer is about the same thickness as the Boler and similar trailers here, which is usually quoted as 1/8".

The double-layer sandwich with insulation in the middle seems like a very desirable design to me. It is one of the unusual features of the Geographic trailer which we have been recently discussing.

The North American eggs with two layers and (optionally) insulation are not bonded together, so they don't act as a structural sandwich. Can anyone describe how the Lander sandwich is constructed?

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There are hardly new grp trailers in Europe. There have been introduced 2 small molded grp trailers from a Portugese manufacturer.
And they all have got no framing.
Now I need to go find those recent links to European manufacturers, which I think were from Eastern European countries...
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Old 12-25-2006, 11:54 PM   #34
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Now I need to go find those recent links to European manufacturers, which I think were from Eastern European countries..
In october I posted this message:

BIOD uses an 'open mold' technique.
Vacuum injection is a 'closed mold' technique.
Maybe this can help.
I made a translation of the text on the overview page.
Try this url please: http://biod.info/2006jaarbeurs/default.htm

Links are on the latter url.
Do you mean these?
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Old 12-26-2006, 09:59 AM   #35
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Buon Natale...

Hello to all… I write on http://epocaravan.forumfree.net/ and are a collector of Lander…. Posseggo 4 lander, 2 lander 401 and 2 lander 340, they are all in glass-reinforced plastic and if you interest you I can also describe as they are made. Me aid with the translator of google because I do not speak English.
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Old 12-26-2006, 10:19 AM   #36
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Hello Enec!

Thanks for sharing and welcome to Fiberglass RV!

Ciao Enec! Ringraziamenti per la compartecipazione ed il benvenuto a vetroresina RV!<blockquote>(Hello Enec! Thanks for the compartecipazione and the welcome to glass-reinforced plastic RV!)</blockquote>
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Old 12-26-2006, 11:03 AM   #37
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Grazie a te Gina, e scusa il mio inglese, la colpa č di Google!!!<blockquote>(Thanks to you Gina, and excuse my English, the guilt is of Google!!!)</blockquote>

Grazie un te Gina, inglese del il di scusa di e milioni di, č di Google di colpa della La!!! <blockquote>(Thanks you of million and English, Gina excuse, are of Google of guilt of the!!!)</blockquote>
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Old 12-26-2006, 12:12 PM   #38
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If I understand the specifications correctly, the four metre [b]length is for the body of the trailer; by the North American standard of measuring the overall length (including tongue) of travel trailers, this is a 17' model.
Hi Brian!
Yes it is right... four metre is the body of the trailer

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While most of the European fiberglass trailers seem to used moulded panels mounted on a body framework, the Lander appears to be constructed like most of our eggs: [b]upper and lower moulded shells.
Yes, the lander is build like a walnut... two parts united in the middle...
you can see my website. Here you can find an interview to a technician that have worked in Lander factory and he explain the building process.
http://www.epocaravan.virtuale.org/Lander%20Levante.htm

I ask him: Can you describe the constructive process of a Lander caravan ?
And he answered me: You try to imagine a frying pan, to the inside this was dealt with of the wax of bees for six or seven times. It came then painted with white bicomponent resin, and the all put in a furnace to an approximately temperature of 45°. Then it was passed to the resinatur that consisted in a formed machinery from a gun that sprayed the incolore resin, like the gun of a carriage maker? He make a vertical jet and it moves from right to left and viceversa. This instead had a horizontal jet and over there was a cutter that cut a fiberglass and deposited it over the jet of the resin. With some cylinders then it join it over the colorful stamp (frying pan), brought back to the furnace and, once dry, with the aid of the air of a compressor extracted the shell.

I hope that is clear... excuse me for the bad translation!!!

Brian, could you show me a picture of your trailer, please?
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Old 12-26-2006, 12:28 PM   #39
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Thanks.
You are everybody very kindly.
A question:
Where I can find the pictures of your caravans in this forum?

Thanks to everybody. I am very happy to have found others caravan's estimators

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Old 12-26-2006, 12:35 PM   #40
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Thanks.
You are everybody very kindly.
A question:
Where I can find the pictures of your caravans in this forum?

Thanks to everybody. I am very happy to have found others caravan's estimators

ciao , roberto
Hi Roberto,

We have a section called “[b]Albums” that has photos of all the brands. You can find the link at the top of every page.
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