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Old 08-17-2015, 01:47 PM   #15
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I take it you are not aware of spalling of the truly eggshell thick outer layer,and its comparative lack of impact resistance, especially in the area of small voids.
I think I would refrain from walking on it if I were you.
I have seen just about everything that breaks on just about every make of fiberglass trailer and still see them as far superior to stick built trailers. ( Lil' Snoozy included)

When you find a bunch of 30year old Lil'Snoozys we can compare durability and I really hope yours holds up as well as the Casitas, Scamps, Bolers,LoveBugs, etc. with already proven track records.
Mine is practically like new, but it has only eleven years of heavy use.
It is true that some of the early Snoozy's had problems. I have only heard of a couple that had the spalling , delamination problem. The outer layer of glass is as thick as the entire thickness of the other brands. I would not call it eggshell thick..

It is true that Scamp, Casita etc. have a proven track record but they have all kinds of problems to.

Casita was my first choice before I heard of the Snoozy, I looked at several. They are a nice unit but besides rivets etc. they are not as roomy as the Snoozy. The Scamp is nice but the beds are to small and short for a big guy like me..then there's all those rivets..

In the end it is all personal choice and what works for you.
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Old 08-17-2015, 02:18 PM   #16
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Thank you all for your input - you have given me much to consider. I know all the brands have very loyal and passionate owners, and the Campers hold their value extremely well. The Snoozy interests me because it seems "simpler", with fewer things to break, but the jury is still out on durability and resale value.


I plan to go to both factories this fall and hopefully things will become clearer. Either way, I look forward to joining the "egghead" travelers sometime next year.
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Old 08-17-2015, 02:29 PM   #17
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I like rear AC and no wheel wells design of Snoozy. But to me electric-only is no go :-(
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Old 08-17-2015, 03:11 PM   #18
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I like rear AC and no wheel wells design of Snoozy. But to me electric-only is no go :-(
That is why it is important to prioritize what is most important to least important. I like the no wheel wells but then you are wider on the road.

I like them both. The Snoozy works for many because of the bed size. I like the bathroom with that unit better and even electricity would probably work for some and be a deal breaker for others. The Casita is a proven product.

They all have problems now and again over time, some from the get-go. I guess just understand what the possibilities might be with each unit as being forewarned helps one avoid a lot of regret.
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Old 08-17-2015, 03:18 PM   #19
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There is no substitute for research and more research. Then go and look at the trailers you have on your short list.
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Old 08-17-2015, 03:38 PM   #20
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Rally or two will provide a lot better real world "feel" than a factory tour. This is how they look loaded for travel, with the trash can and dirty clothes stowed in them. Not how they look in a show room.

List your requirements, then prioritize your likes. Need a standard set of criteria to measure against.

Check out trailer weights in the real world post. What they really weigh is more valuable information than "heavier" or "lighter". Real weight determines what you need to have for a tow vehicle. If you have a diesel 3/4 ton truck "heavier" starts at a whole different place than if you own a mini van.

Whole point is to have your own comfortable bed to sleep on BUT bed is wasted space anytime you are awake and in the camper. There is some tension between those two aspects. Head room may come at the expense of better aerodynamics but may be the difference between feeling cramped or like the trailer is spacious. Bottom line bed has to be big enough & roof has to be high enough but not any more than that. If you are 6'1 a 6'2" ceiling is as good as a 6'5" one if you fit.

Don't dismiss any models until you get a chance to look at them at a rally, you might find your perfect model is one you are not even considering.
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Old 08-17-2015, 03:48 PM   #21
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It is true that some of the early Snoozy's had problems. I have only heard of a couple that had the spalling , delamination problem. The outer layer of glass is as thick as the entire thickness of the other brands. I would not call it eggshell thick..

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Different process and certainly not comparable thickness or strength. It takes the whole process to produce the rigidity of a Lil'Snoozy, If you produced one with only the outer shell it would need a lot more than furniture to keep its shape,. You are comparing apples and oranges and using strawman arguments to establish your point.
I have never seen any other fiberglass trailer experience spalling.

The spalling is an inherent problem with the process and just as serious as those you cited on other makes.... pretty much inconsequential.

As you say...
"In the end it is all personal choice and what works for you."
... a subjective conclusion which you have supported using pseudo-objective arguments.

No need... you have made a nice choice if it meets that final criterion, and that's enough.
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I take it you are not aware of spalling of the truly eggshell thick outer layer,and its comparative lack of impact resistance, especially in the area of small voids.
I think I would refrain from walking on it if I were you.
I have seen just about everything that breaks on just about every make of fiberglass trailer and still see them as far superior to stick built trailers. ( Lil' Snoozy included)

When you find a bunch of 30year old Lil'Snoozys we can compare durability and I really hope yours holds up as well as the Casitas, Scamps, Bolers,LoveBugs, etc. with already proven track records.
Mine is practically like new, but it has only eleven years of heavy use.
You saved me a comment Floyd.
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Old 08-17-2015, 06:05 PM   #23
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If your still looking in the middle of October stop by the Cherokee,NC rally. Many different brands will be represented there and an open house is planned for that Saturday.

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Old 08-17-2015, 07:06 PM   #24
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Different process and certainly not comparable thickness or strength. It takes the whole process to produce the rigidity of a Lil'Snoozy, If you produced one with only the outer shell it would need a lot more than furniture to keep its shape,. You are comparing apples and oranges and using strawman arguments to establish your point.
I have never seen any other fiberglass trailer experience spalling.

The spalling is an inherent problem with the process and just as serious as those you cited on other makes.... pretty much inconsequential.

As you say...
"In the end it is all personal choice and what works for you."
... a subjective conclusion which you have supported using pseudo-objective arguments.

No need... you have made a nice choice if it meets that final criterion, and that's enough.

In the end all our observations are subjective. Mine are no more pseudo objective than yours.
I just wanted the OP to have an opinion from someone not in the Scamp, Casita camp. I am sure you are a great person Floyd. I do enjoy sparing with you. Take care...😀


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I live in Georgia, and I can get to SC or Tx much easier than BC.

I live in Texas, and can get to Texas alot easier too. Didn't stop me from getting what I wanted. Ymmv.


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Old 08-17-2015, 11:35 PM   #26
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I choose a Lil Snoozy over a Casita because I liked the queen bed, couch across from an entertainment center, large shower, and open feeling. I put propane in ours, as some places don't allow generators. I have owned two Scamps, loved them for each season of our lives (kids with the 1st one, and no kids with the second one). We now are retired and live 5 months a year in it, and it fits our needs perfectly. If we had grand kids I would either change out the couch for a bunk bed set-up, or buy an Escape. The construction of the Lil Snoozy is like that of a fiberglass speed boat. I have been up on the roof to wax it, and never have had any spalling. I hope you find what works for you.
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Old 08-19-2015, 09:05 AM   #27
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I hope you've already reached this conclusion, and it has been indirectly mentioned, but I'll go ahead and spell it out:

There are pros and cons to every single trailer. The pros and cons vary in importance for every single person (and every trailer buyer).

All trailer purchasing decisions are therefore personal. You likely have more in common with some of us and less in common with others, so your pro and con weighting list is likely going to be more like some and less like others as well.

That said,
  1. don't let Floyd scare you off of a Snoozy because of the technology used - resin infusion has been around about as long as fiberglass has, and all FG aerospace parts are made this way, as chopper gun layup is far too weak and heavy for airplanes (but is fast and cheap). Whether or not Snoozys have void and delamination problems has to do with process control at the manufacturer, not a weakness of the process. Chopper gun work can be bad as well, just in different ways.
  2. Assume that any trailer will be perfect for you in some ways, adequate in some ways, and deficient in some ways. If you find the deficiencies either easy to live with or easy to remedy, then you've found a winner.
  3. I recommend you get very analytical about this. Make up a list of things that matter to you, and things that don't. Then apply a weighting to each item, then score each candidate trailer. Add up the scores and pick the winner.
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That said,
  1. don't let Floyd scare you off of a Snoozy because of the technology used - resin infusion
I would not try to "scare you off" from buying a Lil'Snoozy.
It might be said that those who like to pretend that rivets are somehow a disqualifier are the scare mongers.

I don't see how the following could be construed as an attempt to instill fear into anyone...
"There are those who believe that all change is improvement, if you are one of them, buy the Lil Snoozy."
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