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Old 11-20-2014, 07:54 AM   #29
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I am "Rexlion" on rv.net. To set things straight, I never demanded more, I merely told Alan (based on his comment to me that the trailer was not designed for a spring axle and would be damaged by it without reinforcing the frame) that I was willing to accept his offer if he would also provide info on what frame reinforcements were necessary. To that he replied that my demands were unreasonable. Paul, do you think that it was unreasonable of me to ask him how I should protect my trailer from damage when using a spring axle?

As for my driving, how would you like to be on a very narrow country blacktop with no center line and have a car coming toward you that looks to be a little too far over? I bet you would run one trailer tire off the pavement, just like I did.

Oh and BTW, when I contacted the frame mfr and asked what reinforcements were needed on the frame for a spring axle, they were puzzled and said no such reinforcement was necessary. So what does that say about Alan's veracity?

Here's the thread on FGRV: Snoozy axles
Mike --

Thanks for the additional information. The nature of the conversation with Alan did not come across clearly to me from the earlier post. But, to answer your question, I don't think it is at all unreasonable to ask Alan if he knows the information, but it probably is unreasonable to expect that he would. He hired somebody to design a trailer frame with a torsion axle. From my understanding, he uses a local company that builds trailers with torsion axles.

Whoever engineered the trailer clearly did so with a torsion axle in mind, since that is what is used. While this in no way means that it isn't suitable for leaf springs, it wasn't designed with that in mind (unless it was designed specifically to work with either, which is possible). From a liability perspective, Snoozy would be fools to give you the go-ahead, or to shoot off-the-cuff about how to reinforce it. As far as Alan probably knows, the frame was designed for torsion axle, and only torsion axle. Could he or should he have taken the time to call the trailer manufacturer? I think you could make that argument.

That said, I suspect Alan was also responding in frustration, and you would have likely gotten a very different response if you were a happy customer who was interested in putting on a custom axle for happier reasons. So, he may well have not given the best response in your case.

At this point, I want to say that if my earlier post sounded to be critical of you, I did not mean it to, and I apologize. I was referring to the situation, or specifically, how the situation would sound to Alan (whose response we are evaluating) -- A customer calls to complain that the axle is too wide, and it caused damage. Customer wants Alan to fix it, redesign/reinforce the frame, and pay for it. Alan suspects this to be a no-happy-ending situation. (Again, this is me imagining Alan's perspective). But, Alan doesn't believe he is at fault, nor that the design is flawed. He puts up a peace offering, which is met with further demands. So, he says, "Phooey. We tried."

Again, you may well have a different perspective on how you presented your case, and I only know what I have read, and am fluffing it from there.

Regarding the oncoming car on a narrow road, again, I wasn't criticizing your driving skills (didn't intend to, anyway). It is one of those situations. It really didn't matter whether the trailer was 7', 8', 8.5', or 14' wide. You had to ditch it to prevent an accident, and sustained some damage in the process. Not your fault, not the trailer's fault (I think I used the word "error" earlier, which was the wrong word). Sacrificing equipment to save lives was ... the right thing to do.
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Old 11-20-2014, 08:21 AM   #30
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I don't mean to sound negative, really I don't. But will somebody explain to me how "being able to see the wheels" is an advantage? It seems to me the only reason a person would need to see them is because they are they are out there where they can be seen in the first place. If they were tucked back under the trailer following the tug's track you don't need to see them, you know where they are.

I have trailers made both ways, and have towed a lot of various configurations over the years and greatly prefer a trailer with a track width approximating that of the tow vehicle. To many years farming and expecting my implements to be following the tractor's wheels I suppose.

I hear all of the reasons the wide track is an "advantage" and they all sound pretty weak in the face of the safety and convenience of a narrower track. If there were sound mechanical reasons or load parameters that required the wide track then so be it. I have trailers made that way and use them accordingly. For the way I drive, camp, and store my FGRV the wider track is not only completely unnecessary, it would be a decided inconvenience.

It is interesting the design decisions that manufacturers make. The Nest seems to follow roughly a similar layout to the Snoozy but has inboard wheels (and no traditional frame). The Nest also so far apparently does not have a provision for a grey water tank. The Parkliner started out with an internal A/C unit but now comes with a roof top unit. Oliver originally built a smaller trailer, went to a bigger unit, and is apparently adding the smaller one back into their line. Escape built the 5.0 with a single axle for a while and then “upgraded” to the 5.0 TA (tandem axle). And through it all Scamp continues to be Scamp and builds (and sells) FGRVs the “old fashioned way”.
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Old 11-20-2014, 08:24 AM   #31
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Seems my post (which was intended to be for visual fun) took a hard left turn.
Sorry about that my friends.
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:27 AM   #32
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We purchased a used twin bed model (very rare) The Wide track is perfect for those interstates We are not bothered by big trucks racing by us at 70-80mph it's the most stable trailer I have driven . In an earlier life I was a trailer rep for a boat /cargo trailer mfg. I have lost count of how many trailer boats I've driven.
The Snoozy has so many good features
1-all fiberglass no wood floors
2-wheels you can see from your mirrors
3-rear entry with a 28 in door with screen door
4-Nice wood cabinets I would rather have fiberglass built ins like a egg camper
5-cassette toilet ( it has had its problems which I fixed with a sturdier hose )

Richard sent me new cabinet hinges for my used snoozy trailer and helped me ( with phone help)take apart my cassette toilet . so I think they have done a good job It's all personnel taste we were sold on the Egg camper until my wife saw the Lil Snoozy
You make a solid point! Personal preference is important. Two of the advantages you cite would be deal breakers for me. Wide track and rear entry. I also much prefer my oak cabinets.
I think the rendition of the Snoozy without the external fenders really looks nice.
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:32 AM   #33
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Seems my post (which was intended to be for visual fun) took a hard left turn.
Sorry about that my friends.
No need to be sorry. Most threads, probably all, meander in unpredictable ways, but they often lead to interesting discussions.

When towing I always set my mirrors so that I can see the trailer wheels in turns and quickly glance to see if I am making the turns wide enough. It has become a habit.
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:54 AM   #34
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....The Nest also so far apparently does not have a provision for a grey water tank......
"we have decided to take your advice and find a way to include an on-board gray water tank."

Nest Caravans — Building a new FG trailer, step by step
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Old 11-20-2014, 01:55 PM   #35
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Tim, one of the reasons that I like to see the tires is to see if one is getting low on air pressure. I may one day do like Norm did, and purchase a tire pressure monitoring system.
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Old 11-20-2014, 02:10 PM   #36
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I can check the tires on my Escape simply by adjusting the power mirrors on the RAV4. Have a quick look and then move them back.
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Old 11-20-2014, 03:56 PM   #37
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I like to see the tires because:

I can see if one has low pressure

I can see if there is a major bearing failure

If I hit something small , I can see if there is damage.
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Old 11-20-2014, 04:56 PM   #38
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Thats common to Scamp and Casita and other manufactures as well. But as you sound like your not totally sold on a LS and Customer Service is important you should give the 17' Escape a good look - base price on it is $22,500.00 but the list of standard equipment include for that is long!
That's an interesting point, Carol.

All of the FG brands have climbed in price now, and I would guess (haven't checked just lately) that decently equipped, new 16'-17' units are probably all in that $20k+ neighborhood, or at least getting close to it. When you posted that about the Escape, it made me readjust my thinking. I've always seen them (in my mind) as a high-priced unit. But really they are pretty competitive. (No wonder they have such a long wait time.)
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:35 AM   #39
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Agree on price of Escape. As others climb in price, Escape is becoming more in line with other fiberglass brands. Escape is back on my radar for consideration.
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Agree on price of Escape. As others climb in price, Escape is becoming more in line with other fiberglass brands. Escape is back on my radar for consideration.
Actually price them , comparably equipped. Looks like about $4000 difference comparably equipped. additional option choices look like a wash, some higher from Escape, some higher from Scamp.
Comparison... Escape 17 layout B to Scamp16D layout B.
I agree that these two trailers appeal to somewhat different demographics.
The $4000 may not even be a deal breaker, since many buyers would choose one or the other if they were evenly priced.
They are both too large for my taste, and claiming larger size alone as an advantage would be like claiming that a Suburban is a better choice than a Camaro.
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As the Canadian Dollar falls, the Escape trailers will become less expensive compared to trailers manufactured in the US. Since their customers seem very happy with their trailers, this is a good thing.

As for the stability advantage of the widely spaced wheels, I am not sure it is necessary. Last summer, before towing Launch Pad, (my second Trillium 4500) from Ontario to Alberta, my brother did a test drive. He said that he did his best to loose the trailer. This included sharp turns, stops and everything else he could do, (He is a bit of a jerk). The relatively narrowly spaced wheels of the Trillium 4500 were no problem at all.
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As the Canadian Dollar falls, the Escape trailers will become less expensive compared to trailers manufactured in the US. Since their customers seem very happy with their trailers, this is a good thing.
Yes the current situation with the US vs Canadian dollar certainly makes the Escape all that more attractive. But awhile back (think the dollars may have been at par at the time) actually posted that they had done a side by side comparison using the Scamp (and if not mistaken the Casita) price lists and the Escape price list... once they added up all the extras costs of what were not included in the base price of the Scamp/Casita base price but where standard on the Escape there was really not the big gap in pricing that many had mistakenly believed there was.
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