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07-19-2013, 01:49 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Conrad
Trailer: Bigfoot 3000 & Barth "slide-in" truck camper
Connecticut
Posts: 958
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It might make sense as one layer of insulation, but not used alone--in particular for an outside layer.
Closed cell foam would work better, particularly if applied in a thin layer on the outside and also as a cavity filling layer on the inside.
Ceramic insulation is mostly over rated by the vendors.
Close cell foam is the best thing going, particularly if attention is given to maximizing the thermal break to reduce thermal conductivity and the dreaded condensation.
I wonder if ceramic insulation would bond well to closed cell foam and if so, which would it be better as the outer layer.
Is this product actually a form of closed cell foam? It might be.
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07-22-2013, 09:12 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,697
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Oliver trailers have Lizardskin as insulation between the hulls... if that tells you anything. It's expensive and requires special spray equipment (from what I understand). My friend Sandy (the Bolerite) says someone on Bolerama sprayed a 13' Boler with Lizardskin and it cost him in the neighborhood of $1,000 for supplies. He did the job himself.
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Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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07-23-2013, 11:38 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Carl
Trailer: 2013 Lil Snoozy #161 (SOLD)/2010 Tacoma
NE Oklahoma
Posts: 2,358
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Well, don't think it's cost effective for me then. thanks
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07-23-2013, 01:43 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
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Carl, everything is worth looking into. Without research and testing we'd all be cooking over wood fires... oh wait, sometimes we do!
I think you need to continue on and see if what I reported is correct, as far as price. That info was about two years old. The price for products, etc. may have gone down... or up.
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Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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07-23-2013, 07:01 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carlkeigley
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That maybe great (although heavy) if you need sound insulation, but neither the Amazon.com page or the manufacturer's product page claim any thermal insulation ability at all. Yes, it can withstand moderately high temperatures, but any sheet of metal can stand much higher, and you wouldn't use that for insulation.
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07-23-2013, 07:13 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Carl
Trailer: 2013 Lil Snoozy #161 (SOLD)/2010 Tacoma
NE Oklahoma
Posts: 2,358
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
That maybe great (although heavy) if you need sound insulation, but neither the Amazon.com page or the manufacturer's product page claim any thermal insulation ability at all. Yes, it can withstand moderately high temperatures, but any sheet of metal can stand much higher, and you wouldn't use that for insulation.
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Thanks Brian..........I was wondering that since the descriptions
said nothing about insulating.
I just thought if there was a decent spray insulation, then those
hard crevices (but important) could more easily be done.
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07-23-2013, 09:55 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carlkeigley
I just thought if there was a decent spray insulation, then those
hard crevices (but important) could more easily be done.
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Getting insulation in is certainly a challenge. The places (not in our Boler) where I've tried foam-in-a-can in crevices have not been very satisfactory, and it isn't for surfaces at all. The sound-deadening stuff would spray on a surface, but not insulate much (especially for the weight). Spray foam which is for insulation and does work on surfaces seems to be a professionally applied product, not practical in small areas, and potentially messy.
Keep looking! I'm interested in whatever potential material turns up, in my case for under the floor.
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07-23-2013, 10:01 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Carl
Trailer: 2013 Lil Snoozy #161 (SOLD)/2010 Tacoma
NE Oklahoma
Posts: 2,358
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Will do Brian.
I'll be on the look out until I find something I can use that is simple,
economical, and most of all --------WORK! .........lol.
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07-23-2013, 10:30 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Carl
Trailer: 2013 Lil Snoozy #161 (SOLD)/2010 Tacoma
NE Oklahoma
Posts: 2,358
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Here's an item that MAY be of interest.......R16 factor
PRODEX
https://www.insulation4less.com/
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07-24-2013, 06:17 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,697
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As a hotrodder when I read something about "heatshield" I think of a firewall on a vehicle, or floor pan. AND, shield vs insulation...
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Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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07-24-2013, 06:30 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Carl
Trailer: 2013 Lil Snoozy #161 (SOLD)/2010 Tacoma
NE Oklahoma
Posts: 2,358
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
As a hotrodder when I read something about "heatshield" I think of a firewall on a vehicle, or floor pan. AND, shield vs insulation...
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So far, as I've been reading up on these things, seems like they
have insulation in the name or text but it's really only a shield. hmmm.
And the spray foam I've seen is a called a sealant.......another hmmmm.
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07-24-2013, 07:25 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carlkeigley
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That's more like real insulation... but it's a sheet which won't stretch so installation on curved ares will be the usual egg challenge.
The R-value claim of 16 is bogus. I see this in their specs:
Quote:
Prodex Total Insulation
*R-value 16 (one layer)
*R-value 21.10 (two layers)
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I think that means essentially that the resistance to heat flow is R-5.1 per layer (still very optimistic for 5 mm or 13/64" of foam), with the rest of the benefit from the reflective surface. Reflective heat barriers don't work in contact with another material, so the insulation's foil face would need to be the exposed interior surface of the trailer. Yuck.
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07-24-2013, 09:06 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Paul
Trailer: '07 Scamp 16' SD
Wisconsin
Posts: 110
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I've considered spray foam insulation for the bottom of my scamp, but once it's sealed in, there's no getting in to do any maintenance on the underside of the rig.
I also expect it would be pretty expensive to get it sprayed. Once they mix up a batch of the stuff, it must be used.
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08-06-2013, 11:09 AM
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Commercial Member
Trailer: Oliver Legacy
Posts: 80
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We did use the Lizard skin product but have stopped for the points made above. At this time we are continuing to use 3M thinsulate that we used in the last units.
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08-06-2013, 01:47 PM
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Senior Member
Name: GP
Trailer: Looking
British Columbia
Posts: 163
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Quote:
Originally Posted by glennco
I've considered spray foam insulation for the bottom of my scamp, but once it's sealed in, there's no getting in to do any maintenance on the underside of the rig.
I also expect it would be pretty expensive to get it sprayed. Once they mix up a batch of the stuff, it must be used.
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Air flows under a trailer too, so I would think that the other issue with using spray foam on the bottom of a trailer is that it would become an aerodynamic nightmare.
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08-06-2013, 02:49 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jared
Trailer: 1984 19' scamp
Kansas
Posts: 1,610
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I can't imagine that coming into play at all. Heck, cars would get better mileage if they looked like a golf ball.
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08-06-2013, 05:26 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GPJ
Air flows under a trailer too, so I would think that the other issue with using spray foam on the bottom of a trailer is that it would become an aerodynamic nightmare.
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I think the bottom of most trailers (especially those with underfloor tanks and plumbing) already is an aerodynamic nightmare. Filling in some of the gaps with foam might even help! Just my impression...
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08-06-2013, 06:14 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Carl
Trailer: 2013 Lil Snoozy #161 (SOLD)/2010 Tacoma
NE Oklahoma
Posts: 2,358
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared J
I can't imagine that coming into play at all. Heck, cars would get better mileage if they looked like a golf ball.
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I've read articles about that.............
But I still can't bring myself to pull my car out of shelter
during a hail storm........................LOL
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