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Old 06-12-2015, 06:07 PM   #15
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Norm, Is that 30 mpg average or 30 mpg on the flats?
JD.

Tonight Ginny and I went out to a little Pizza place we last went to in the 1990s, a little trip down memory lane. It's about 30 miles from our house. The way out was two lane roads with a few stop lights and going home traffic. The way home was about half highway.

On the way there we averaged an indicated 29.4 miles per gallon on the way back 31.7. Historically at the upper end the gauge reads low.

It's truly amazing to me. I know diesels do really well but this is a really big vehicle.
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Old 06-14-2015, 06:42 AM   #16
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That is vertical (VERY GOOD the Phone auto correct did the vertical part) good and if I had real life input before I might have considered one more closely. They have a lot of room, but Connie was not excited about the size.
The VW is great, but there are several cotcha's for the unwary, especially the first year of the common rail turbos.
It is my hope that many of the issues have been taken care of.
I must think so or I wouldn't have bought the second one. Also there is the learning curve I already have going for it.
This week we are in Louisville KY and Connersville Indiana for work and I am having some work done after 235,000 miles. It is due it's timing belt and water pump change and that DMF we spoke of (dual mass flywheel).
A slight rattle is a early signal.
We have averaged about 41 mpg and right now the Diesel is not too much higher.
So far the worst equivalent RUG cost per mile would be about 30 mpg.

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Old 06-14-2015, 06:54 AM   #17
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A small car working its heart out trying to pull an Airstream will wear out faster and get extremely poor mileage trying to pull a heavy trailer with a large frontal area. Then put that rig in a 30 mile an hour headwind and the car will be so over powered by force it would probably burn up if you didn't pull over and stop.
I agree with most of your post Steve but this one I question. I can use our rig as an example because I have experience with it for 10 years. The aerodynamic Airstream works well at slipping through the air. Put our smallish aerodynamic car in front of it and the car pokes a hole in the wall of air and the trailer slips through it. The car is now 13 years old and runs like new with no issues. (except for the replacement of one rear wheel bearing).

PS... we have towed into a 30MPH headwind at 60MPH. No problem with the V6 power.

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In my Case I tow my 13 foot Scamp with my Nissan Pathfinder. Unless the road is dead flat I take it out of overdrive to preserve the expensive transmission. The Nissan with its 3.5 v6 doesn't sense the trailer is there. I go from 21 mpg at 65 mph to 16 mpg at 60 mph towing the trailer. Mostly loss to non use of overdrive. Around town my Nissan gets 16 mpg whether the trailer is on it or not. The Nissan is the perfect size for what I need it for around town, work or towing my boat or Scamp trailer.
We have the same 3.5 Nissan engine as you, in our G35, tow a much heavier trailer, and we both get 16MPG when towing.
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Old 06-14-2015, 06:57 AM   #18
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I do! Have a stack of repair bills to support it! No issues for the first 4 years of towing with about 50,000 miles of tow time - 5th year & off warranty things started burning up and not in a good way.... no transmission issues though.
Bad luck or you chose the wrong vehicle.
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Old 06-14-2015, 10:12 AM   #19
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just to cheer all of you up....

I tow with a heavy vehicle to begin with (almost 5000lbs)....Dodge Nitro 4x4, 3.7L V6

Dodges have a reputation for lousy gas mileage and this one lives up to that reputation

I tow a BF17 that when loaded weighs 3240 lbs (wheel weight only)

I don't tow on flats (I live in the mountains)

Average mileage is 18L per 100 kilometers

AKA....17 miles per Imperial gallon

OR......13 miles per US gallon

good thing I don't tow in the states, hey?...LOL

a "usual" trip for me is 3-4 days, about 400 kms, and costs about 100 bucks of gas.....but then I don't have/pay CG fees the vast majority of the time
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Old 06-14-2015, 11:27 AM   #20
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We have been driving today in a Toyota Camry and it seems to have good power at low speed, but on the road it is weak compared with our tdi.
Even a small hill it has to downshift an the reported mpg so far at approximately 150 moles is 28.5.
This is a short distance at 70 and most at 55 on Indiana ' back roads to Connersville. Not particularly comfy nor impressed power to mileage.

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We have been driving today in a Toyota Camry and it seems to have good power at low speed, but on the road it is weak compared with our tdi.
Even a small hill it has to downshift an the reported mpg so far at approximately 150 moles is 28.5.
This is a short distance at 70 and most at 55 on Indiana ' back roads to Connersville. Not particularly comfy nor impressed power to mileage.

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You have way more torque with your TDI, that makes the difference, especially on hills.

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Old 06-14-2015, 03:17 PM   #22
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I guess my point is the less than 30 MPG Camry and the adjusted for high price Diesel when it was much higher than RUG then the power and torque more than compensates for the difference. ( By the way we get around 25 mpg with the 2.0 TDI Diesel.
Today driving through Indiana the cost of Diesel was less than RUG so the advantage is the the VW TDI.This was the reason for buying another JSW TDI when we decided the 235,000 miles on the 2009 was getting on up there. While the cost of fuel may go up again the where the equivalent gas price cost per mile is better the added torque is probably worth the extra.
Just a moment to explain our liking of the TDI. The handling is very good with the IRS and the center of gravity is low and the suspension is very well behaved, towing or not. It is a car that has long legs and is very good traveling long distances.
The VW Tiguan is rated for towing and it's suspension is pretty good. Actually it is built on the same platform as the Golf (Jetta Sportwagen is a Golf every where else in the world. Golf Variant, Estate, or Kombi) just expanded upward. The suspension is for all practical purposes is the same. Tiguan springs will fit and give about the same ride height. The Tiguan is "tippier" with the higher CG and the sport wagen actually has more interior room although there is less rear legroon in the JSW.
The Tiguan is delivered with only the old 2.0 TSI engine and 6 speed slush box automatic and at best gets 26 mpg. More horsepower, much less torque and seems slower and has less punch. In the rest of the world the 2.0 TDI 140 hp is rated for more towing capacity than the higher hp gas engined one. Well over 4000 lbs.
The rating is has more to do with the weight of the car than the towing capability of the drivetrain. My OPINION is that the JSW when properly equipped is very capable of towing the Scamp class of eggs and does it with panache and safety with economy.
There are downsides of the TDI VWs in regards to the cost of some problems related to the TDI. These are in regards to the High Pressure Fuel Pump, 140,000 mile timing belt changes, Diesel Particulate Filters, Dual Mass Flywheels etc and air conditioner weirdness.
Having cussed the VW over those 235,000 miles I have made peace with the thing and can appreciate the good things it does and respect the care it needs, but it is not for everyone. That being said if any modern car has problems they can also be expensive to repair if you are unlucky.
So here I go continuing with my low slung station wagon towing moer than it is rated for in the US.
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