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Old 07-05-2007, 02:14 PM   #1
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So Iíve been racking my brain, researching, reading, mulling over products, etc. looking for the perfect for me replacement for my little egg. I have needs, and Iím not finding them out there. Every manufacturer has great products, but none of them meet what I really want to see. I like the products and quality Iím hearing about Escape and Bigfoot trailers, but the floor plans donít have what I really want.

My absolute wants are: 2 fulltime beds, preferably one full size, and one single (could be a bunk if weight rated high enough), and a dinette area that we can leave set up that way. I hate having to convert the dinette every night, and although we like being outside (thatís why weíre camping after all) itís nice to be able to sit down inside if there are nasty bugs out or poor weather without having to convert all the time. It is just for me and my 9 year old and our dog (no, the dog doesn't need a bed...)

I donít know if this is something I am going to find in a FG unit, but it MUST be FG, no stickies for me! Also I do not want to go up to 21í, MUST be smaller than that.

Any recommendations??
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Old 07-05-2007, 02:25 PM   #2
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You didn't mention the need for a bathroom.... so, how about having Scamp build you a side dinette w/front goucho too... sorry, you just lost the bathroom (can't have both)
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Old 07-05-2007, 02:46 PM   #3
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My absolute wants are: 2 fulltime beds, preferably one full size, and one single (could be a bunk if weight rated high enough), and a dinette area that we can leave set up that way . . . Also I do not want to go up to 21í, MUST be smaller than that.
The standard layout Scamp 5th wheel has a loft bed and a gaucho/bunk as well as a dinette table, it's just over 19' in length, and weighs about the same as a 17' Casita. The downside is you need a pickup truck to pull it.

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Old 07-05-2007, 03:07 PM   #4
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You didn't mention the need for a bathroom.... so, how about having Scamp build you a side dinette w/front goucho too... sorry, you just lost the bathroom (can't have both)
Thanks Donna, that merits some consideration (although all that $$ and no bathroom... but then we don't have a bathroom now, but it would be nice to have... hmm)

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The standard layout Scamp 5th wheel has a loft bed and a gaucho/bunk as well as a dinette table, it's just over 19' in length, and weighs about the same as a 17' Casita. The downside is you need a pickup truck to pull it.

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Peter, that sounds almost perfect (except for the truck part...)
I do have a truck, it's a 2005 Nissan Frontier, short box and roof rack, so I don't know if that would work.
Is this towable by a short box truck, will the factory roof rack interfere, and would I loose all my bed space for a hitch?

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I had this FG tonneau cover put on just so I could haul around camping stuff in the box!

hmmm
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:22 PM   #5
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It'd work. We towed the Scamp 19 we had with our S10 crew cab.

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Old 07-05-2007, 03:30 PM   #6
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It'd work. We towed the Scamp 19 we had with our S10 crew cab.

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Hmm... okay, this could work. Did you lose all your truck bed for the hitch?
Also wondering why you went to the trailer from the 5th?
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:48 PM   #7
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Hi Lainey, I recall seeing a motorhome where the double bed was suspended from the ceiling. Day time the bed came down, and night time hoisted up against the ceiling. Hmm aircraft wire on pulley's ? Having the dinette underneath would be ok because you don't need standing room while sitting at the table. A Murphy bed would be ok too, but the space is a little tight. Ok I will go back to having my nap, experiencing brain drain.
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:56 PM   #8
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Hmm... okay, this could work. Did you lose all your truck bed for the hitch?
Also wondering why you went to the trailer from the 5th?
Lainey, it's a long story... the short version is that we bought this for my 70's parents who were looking to downsize. As it turned out, my mother couldn't get her replaced knees to do the steps to bed, so we sold the 19' but kept the S10. We really liked the 5th wheel, but the use for which I have for the truck doesn't allow for a 5th wheel hitch to be in the way.

You don't lose too much storage with the hitch; but I carry long stuff in mine, plywood and such and the hitch got in the way for that. For normal camping it wouldn't have been much of an issue.

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Old 07-06-2007, 12:01 PM   #9
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Okay, so the 5th plans will work for my needs. BUT they are just a lot different than what I was thinking and a bit bigger than what I had thought I would haul around. Also, with the very small box on my truck, I am afraid of using up all, or quite a bit of my storage space. I am going to seriously consider this option though (maybe Scott and I will have to talk about his unit...)

Other than a 5th wheel, has anyone ever seen a FG unit with a full bed with single bunk over and a small dinette? Ideas?
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:03 PM   #10
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...Other than a 5th wheel, has anyone ever seen a FG unit with a full bed with single bunk over and a small dinette? Ideas?
The designs around 17 feet routinely have two sleeping/seating areas. For instance, my Boler B1700RGH has a rear gaucho (sofa which converts to bed) and front 4-person dinette (which converts to a bed). The gaucho has a cabinet over top which converts to a child's bunk, and a better bunk could replace it. Casita has various floorplans in 16' and 17', one of which might work. Escape has a 17' which can be set up with rear bed and front two-person dinette; the dinette has an optional bunk over it (actually the seat back folds up to become the bunk) like the front of the traditional Boler/Trillium/etc 13' designs.

The issue may be the definition of a "full" bed, and only a widebody (such as a Boler 1700, 17' Burro, or Bigfoot) has the body width to possibly make a nice long bed across the trailer.

I don't have the energy for it, but others have shown that complete interior renovations are practical. Maybe a completely custom interior is the answer, and the question is simply which shell has the desired length, width, and shape (how rounded)?
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:40 PM   #11
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My thing is that I want to be able to never convert a table to a bed (unless we have extra people camping with us). I like to be able to put my son to bed and if I want to stay up, I can have the table area to sit at if I want, then when I go to bed, I can just go - because it won't be attached to my table. Does that make sense? If the dinette could convert to a single bed or bunks that would be a bonus as then my son could bring friends along sometimes.

The actual size of the beds don't really matter that much to me, just as long as the bunk is weight rated enough to still use for many years, and that the 'full bed' could sleep two for resale (or change in life circumstances; still , maybe someday...).

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I don't have the energy for it, but others have shown that complete interior renovations are practical. Maybe a completely custom interior is the answer, and the question is simply which shell has the desired length, width, and shape (how rounded)?
That gets me to thinking...
Iím a draftsperson, I know an industrial designer and a steel fabricator (okay heíd have to learn a lot about aluminiumÖ) so why not build from scratch...
Okay, that's not going to happen, but I have been working on my perfect floor plan, maybe if it has enough mass appeal my plan could be picked up by a larger manufacturer <Reace, are you listening??... >

I've come up with a plan that has the trailer body 13'6"x6'8" (just like a new Escape) and contains:
Fulltime permanent bed approx. 54Ē x 77Ē
Fulltime permanent upper bunk approx. 30Ē x 77Ē
Full bath with 24Ēx36Ē tub/shower combo, toilet and fold up sink
Kitchen area with sink, under counter fridge, & cooktop
Single wide dinette with fold out table extension to allow for extra seating (add your own folding chairs, Dinette would convert to single bed w/ an option for a bunk over top as well)
Interior & Exterior storage

This would sleep 3 fulltime and up to 5 once the dinette is converted (with the bunk over option)
Seating of a large group is limited, but will accommodate up to 4 in a pinch.


Back to reality - any other suggestions?
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Old 07-08-2007, 02:28 PM   #12
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find someone to rebuild your trailer or get someone to find an old egg and have them gut it. then build what you want into it. where are you located because i can give you a name in saskatoon canada. they are rebuilding old trilliums and bolers. it won't cost you anymore than buying a new trailer. it would be like new but built for you. they do great work. i am franklin.hammond at sympatico.ca
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Old 07-09-2007, 07:48 PM   #13
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Lainey, that sounds interesting. If you want to spend a few minutes on simple layout drawing, I'll bet there would be some (hopefully constructive) feedback from a few members, which might support the custom-built interior idea.

For older starting shells available in Canada, the Boler B1700, Trillium 5500, and 19' / 17' / 17.5' Bigfoot models are possible options (most of these are wider than required).

You could also custom build in a new and empty cargo trailer box. Since moulded fiberglass is required, check out the Shuttle. The biggest problem with that unit for this purpose is that they have 6' and 8' wide models, but nothing in between - the 6' width makes lateral beds unworkable, and 8' width loses significant "easy to tow" appeal. They will build to the desired length, and custom-build the frame (to accommodate features such as a side entrance door), but the width is determined by the mould and thus not negotiable.
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Old 07-10-2007, 12:00 AM   #14
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At first I thought two fulltime beds and one full-time dinette would require three ends! (The NEW triangular FGRV!) But if you take your classic 17 foot Boler, and have the gaucho as full-time bed, and the overhead bunk, and the dinette full-time, that would work. (No couch! Don't bump your head!)

I wonder why the 17 foot Boler has two "hampers" (head and foot) at the gaucho, when the foot space could've been used as, well, foot space.

I find the gaucho/coucho/bed very easy to convert (one grunt, then bedding) as opposed to converting the dinette (hold table-top, back up, wiggle-whoops, cram cushions, etc.)

Plus, when we are camping, we usually leave the gaucho-couch as a day-bed, ideal for reading mags/napping. With enough pillows and throws, it is a Chaise Lounge. ("Darling, hand me the grapes!")
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