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Old 08-26-2014, 10:36 PM   #15
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Okay, so we might ask the Scamp factory to leave out the curtains and the bathroom sink. Sound like good ideas. Didn't know they were so accommodating.

We were originally going to chose layout #4 in the standard trailer, but the bed size was a deal breaker. A standard double bed is 52" wide. Can't imagine two adults in a bed only 44" wide. Anyone want to chime in?

Thanks so much for all the advice.
We have had both in our 2 13' Scamps, and since I tend to toss & turn prior to actually sleeping, and my wife is asleep as soon as her head touches the pillow, turning in unison isn't doable..... the 52" was great. We now have a home size queen bed in our Lil Snoozy.
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Old 08-26-2014, 10:46 PM   #16
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We were originally going to chose layout #4 in the standard trailer, but the bed size was a deal breaker. A standard double bed is 52" wide. Can't imagine two adults in a bed only 44" wide. Anyone want to chime in?
I'd have to agree. It's a very personal call. Some couples like to snuggle, others like their space. Scamp now offers the larger bed in the 13' standard, but I personally feel it gives up too much kitchen/storage space. I think it would work better in the 16' layout #4. In my mind it would be a logical next step for Scamp, but I have no idea if it's being considered. I'd be tempted if they did.

As to accommodating, my impression (based on others' reports, not personal experience) is that Scamp is generally willing to delete, but not to add or move, features. Never hurts to ask, though.
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Old 08-26-2014, 10:51 PM   #17
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Anita, really.. it's not about us, it's about YOU. After all these years, I've read about folks that need a HUGE bathroom (what... you can't get clean in a small bath?) or a bed big enough for seven. I think it's funny. Everyone slept in a double (or less) before 1970... something. Queens and kings weren't even consider in sticks 'n bricks homes!

I'm not making light of your issues or concerns. But we are TALKING about limited space. And, no one can tell you what is the minimum "size" that works for you.

BUT, if you're expecting to be as "comfortable" as you are at home......
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Old 08-27-2014, 12:56 AM   #18
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We are doing some work on the floor under the front couch since the couch is out we have been considering if we want something different in that space. One thought was a dinette but that idea is losing traction. We mostly cook and eat outside and if we were forced by weather or bugs to eat inside we already have a dining table in the rear.

A lot of people prepare food inside and eat inside so their need for a full time table or two tables might be greater.

Some people have added memory foam or even a custom mattress to the rear bed because they leave the bed set up all the time. For them a side or front dinette might be a real asset.

For us the front couch and bunk are mostly a really handy set of storage shelves :-)

+1 on it really depends on how you use the camper, storage or open space, bath or no bath, or smaller bath. Whatever you choose you will eventually work out how to use the space inside.

Folks are different, me I figure if I throw the dishwater into the wind it counts as a shower. Some people are a little more particular about some amenities.

I think it was Floyd who ordered his Scamp with a third bench seat between the two in the back. With a smaller pedestal table. Making a U shaped seating arrangement. The advantage is more elbow room to sit around the table if entertaining plus even with the table set up there is still enough room across the back for someone to stretch out for a nap or a little reading. If he does not weigh in on this thread you might want to PM him for the details.
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:28 AM   #19
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We have the 54" bed in our Scamp13 Layout1 and we like it (we sleep in a king size bed at home). If we'd had a more capable tow vehicle and Scamp had offered a 54" bed in the Scamp16 Layout4, that would likely have been our choice. As Jon suggested, we asked Scamp to leave the stinky-slinky hose holder off of the front of our trailer (those tubes turn yellowish over time).
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Old 08-27-2014, 07:22 AM   #20
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Bed Width

When we bought our first trailer the width of the bed was a family joke.... things like they'll have to learn "synchronized rolling over". After 7 years in a small bed neither of us have ever woken and said we need a larger bed.

Now we find large bed's to be unsatisfactory and king size the same as sleeping alone, even our home's Queen feels too large. I know we're crazy.

We have two bedrooms in our beach cottage, one with a queen and the other with twins. When under 30 couples stay with us, it's not unusual to find them using a single twin for the night, smaller than our Scamp without supporting walls. They sometimes awake tired but happy, just kidding sensors...

Though our 44" bed has been satisfactory for us I know it may not be the case for others.

One thing about the Scamp's small bed that may not be obvious and is different from a home double is that it's a contained space, effectively making it larger. Ginny sleeps on the inside and can be right up against the wall if she chooses, at home she would never sleep that close to an edge.

The cabinets perform the same function on the other side, though not as warm as the wall's marine fabric.

Another complaint about small trailers is crawl over in the middle of the night. Ginny sleeps on the inside because she rarely gets up during the night. When she does I usually get up to let her pass. Both of us are quick to fall asleep.

In our first trailer I slept on the inside and was capable of virtually stepping over her. Again it was never a significant inconvenience.

For non-RVers these little issues are things they can see, for RVers they are just part of the lifestyle. There are very few free standing RV beds, beds that do not require a measure of crawl over.

On the other hand non-RVers can not measure or imagine the fun of RVing.
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Old 08-27-2014, 08:35 AM   #21
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I sleep fine on my Scamps 44" bed when I'm alone!
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:10 AM   #22
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I sleep fine on my Scamps 44" bed when I'm alone!
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Ditto, and I sleep good alone on the King at home too. I volunteer at a week-long event once a year that supplies the volunteer’s accommodations, a single bed in a cabin. I would MUCH prefer my Scamp bed to that miserable single but the site does not allow RVs (they are about renting cabins).
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I think it was Floyd who ordered his Scamp with a third bench seat between the two in the back. With a smaller pedestal table. Making a U shaped seating arrangement. The advantage is more elbow room to sit around the table if entertaining plus even with the table set up there is still enough room across the back for someone to stretch out for a nap or a little reading. If he does not weigh in on this thread you might want to PM him for the details.
Actually, he did the mod himself, though Scamp made a custom-sized matching cushion for the project. It's so well-integrated that it looks like it came from the factory that way! There are some nice photos here, starting around post #31: 13' deluxe layouts. I doubt Scamp would undertake that degree of customization, even in the deluxe line.
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My opinion doesn't count much here, because I've never owned a trailer with a bathroom, !
Jon you may not have owned a trailer with a bathroom but you have given two very good suggestions in regards to Scamps with bathrooms.

My Scamp 16' side bath has a sink in the bathroom - makes a small space smaller! Even though I am not a large person the sink makes it hard to even turn around in the bathroom and forget about dressing in it. Have considered pulling the one in mine out many times just not sure how I would fill in all the holes from its piping and mounting..... There is a sink in the kitchen 3' away that works just fine for washing up. We are camping after all ;-)

The slinky hose holder Scamp puts on the front of the trailer is to small to hold a decent sized hose and the fittings. I would not order a new trailer with one on it. I have removed mine and mounted a PVC post (painted black) under the rear of the trailer for the hose and fittings. Looks much better.
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Old 08-27-2014, 11:12 AM   #25
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We have never slept on the 44" bed so I don't know how it might have worked out. We couldn't find a used Scamp13 anywhere near us that was light enough to be within the listed weight rating for our best tow vehicle. So, we finally decided to order a new Scamp13. When we did we were offered the "new option" of the 54 inch bed on the Scamp13 Layout1.

When we had traveled abroad a couple of times, we'd slept on a double bed and it was fine. Although we might not really need a king size bed at home (I'm sure a queen would be just fine), it is what we were used to.

We reasoned that a double (54") would be moving down by 2 sizes and, quite honestly, we were just a bit concerned/afraid about going smaller than a double. Who knows. It might have been just fine. It is probably all in what you get used to. .???

You do give up a lot of storage space with the larger bed in a Scamp13. If your "mission profile" is long distance/duration travel, it makes much more sense to me to have the larger bed in a Scamp16 Layout 4 or Layout A. I guess that new buyers just have make their best guess as to what will work for them and then study all of the mods that some of the smart folks on the forum have done to make the trailer really meet their individual needs/wants.

Sadly, we thought that a Scamp16 (or even a Scamp13 with bathroom, A/C, furnace, etc.) was too much trailer for us to pull with our then-current tow vehicle. With our Scamp13, we will just have to learn much better packing and organizing skills.

I think choices are good and I wish anyone purchasing a "new" trailer the best of luck!

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Comfortable bed is important, sleeping on it is the one activity you can pretty much count on every night you camp. What constitutes a comfortable bed is pretty personal choice. Might want to try sleeping on the size your planning to get before ordering. Even if just using pillows to reduce the available area of you current bed.
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Have done a lot of research and decided to order a Scamp 16' deluxe with layout A (front dinette). Anyone out there with this model who can give us some advice? I read on the forum that the front dinette can be hard to get in and out of. Is that true? Just two adults, and we're average size. Also, did you add cabinets over the dinette? Do you tend to bump your head on them?

We chose layout A because the bathroom is smaller. Hoping that will give us a tiny bit more floorspace for our dogs. What do you think?

So before we finalize our order, would love to get some advice on which layout you recommend, A (front dinette) or B (side dinette).
Decided to re-read the original question… Here are my own impressions of the advantages & disadvantages of each plan, for what it's worth...

I don't think there is any difference in floorspace between the floor plans. That is essentially determined by the size of the lowered floor that is built into the frame. If anything the side bath version has slightly less because the bath hangs out over the lowered floor just a little.

The side bath model will feel longer and narrower, and the front window (which doesn't open) expands the view. It also has the fridge on the opposite side from the stove and sink, a slight advantage in left-right weight distribution. The dinette is farther from the bed area, which could be an advantage for an early riser, but smaller, and only makes into a child-sized bed. The bath is smaller and the difference appears to go into storage space.

The front bath model will feel shorter and wider, and it adds a larger side window over the dinette, which does open. The dinette is roomier and closer to the kitchen. I think (not sure here) it makes into an adult-sized bed. The bathroom is also larger, but there is less storage space. Front bath models also tend to be a bit heavier on the tongue than similarly-equipped side bath models.

I don't think there's a clear winner. It would be very helpful to get inside both versions and see how they feel to you. Does Scamp have a network of current owners who are willing to show their units to a potential buyer? If that doesn't work, you could also try posting a request here. Unfortunately, 16' deluxes aren't that common, so you chances of finding both floor plans in your area aren't great, but you never know.

Now the really important question: will you choose birch or oak? Best of luck in your decisions and future travels!
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If you go with the deluxe model and side washroom I don't think Scamp can leave out the sink in the washroom.
The Minnesota State Fair is on now and usually just after the fair they have all their demos from the fair available for sale at a slight discount.-might be worth calling about.


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