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Old 09-29-2014, 06:48 PM   #99
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I love the fact you dropped the tanks, in the winter they freeze and cause problems, and in the summer the simpler unit is better anyway (and for us we sometime move the toilet to a tent to keep the kids out of the trailer).

Also love the fact you dropped the metal frame, I have wondered why this is not common with composite trailers!

Beautiful Trailer, looking forward to reading more
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Old 09-29-2014, 08:36 PM   #100
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Jim, this may disappoint you (and maybe others) but the Nest will not feature on-board waste tanks. Perhaps controversial, but based upon research we conducted before we began designing, we decided to go along with the slight majority that preferred to keep things simple.

So, Nest will instead feature the design-award winning Thetford "Curve" porta-potty, and a gray water external tote.

Of course, should we get enough push-back, back to the drawing board!
Hey Robert, not really disappointed at all, just have to make my thinker work towards that direction. I do remember the cassette toilet now, and actually quite like that idea. Being off grid most of the time, it would actually be easier to deal with than a holding tank.

For grey water will there just be a garden hose connection then? Again with mostly boondocking, and unless I trailed the hose off behind the trailer somewhere, one would have to bring some kind of holding container along, which could be a bit of a hassle. Maybe an option for a grey water tank underneath (though that clean look is sure nice right now), or incorporated as a bottom layer in a cabinet???

Just some random thoughts. No doubt you have gone through all these many times already.

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Old 09-29-2014, 10:47 PM   #101
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Add one to the list of those that would prefer a grey water tank. I love the cassette toilet and no blackwater hassle, but it'd be nice to not have to deal with a the tote-style grey tank. I suppose you've planned for a dedicated nook/closet for the tote?
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Old 09-29-2014, 10:52 PM   #102
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If a fresh water tank and a potty cassette can be enclosed within the trailer body, it seems to me that a gray water tank inside the trailer should be possible. An external tote requirement is more common with low-end, less expensive units such as pop-ups. I'm not sure the inconvenience of having to wrestle a tank around and finding a place to stow it will go over well with many buyers. You may reduce the number of potential customers with that single missing feature.

If layout precludes gravity flow into an internally-housed gray tank, perhaps you could add a pump. Scamp uses a pump to move gray water from the shower drain to the tank in some models.
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Old 09-30-2014, 07:32 AM   #103
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Hmmm, I did not want to get involved in thread drift and I have really enjoyed seeing the process but the no grey tank is a head scratcher. Seems to be a pretty big step back to not have some on board grey waste capacity and certainly seems out of place in a “premium” unit. I know I would not want to have to drag around an external tank, and where would somebody store it? Are they supposed to carry it in the back of their high dollar SUV? Who wants to get it out and hook it up for a quick overnighter?
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Old 09-30-2014, 07:39 AM   #104
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I've seen a number of motorhome and 5th's with the empty blue tote mounted under them for travel. I think we even had a fiberglass member here post photos of it underneath. Aesthetics..... a big thumbs down for some.

Edit for Norm: a no dump situation would be tricky. Grey water gets pretty heavy to lift around.
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:33 AM   #105
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Ken,

The big rigs do it so they don't have to move when they are in a non-full hook up site. Our motor home had a 100 gallons of waste tanks. Totally a different situation.

Where do you store a portable grey tank when you're in a 'no dump' situation? This is a very expensive trailer for it's size and I think this is a marketing mistake.

I do love the thread and find the design interesting and the execution of the molds even more interesting.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:08 AM   #106
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As a Trillium guy, no grey tank makes sense to me. I like the simplicity. Mind you, I don't shower in my trailer.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:44 AM   #107
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We own a T@b and also have to use a external Thetford Blue tote waster water tank. Hate it pure and simple and one of the dominant reasons we started looking towards a larger more accommodating travel trailer. I agree with Norm this is a huge marketing mistake not to include the gray water waste tank for what is an otherwise fabulous little camper. I get the part about black tanks and the port a potty but not the waste water. Robert you really do need to reconsider this IMHO.

Hope this helps.

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Old 09-30-2014, 11:19 AM   #108
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The big rigs do it so they don't have to move when they are in a non-full hook up site. Our motor home had a 100 gallons of waste tanks. Totally a different situation.
Different situation on a big rig? How? I know a lot of folks with small fiberglass trailers who like to camp off the grid who also have small portable waste totes. Mine is about 8 gallons and I use it to drain off the grey water & black tank when camping in one spot for more than four days.

I am also in the camp of those who feel an onboard grey water tank (even a small one) is something I would not be happy not having. It might surprise some as to how many amazing spots there are to camp that require the trailer to be self-contained - an outside portable tote sitting on the ground does not fit that bill and you will be asked to leave. An onboard holding tank is the only thing allowed as outside portable totes are attractions to wild life - in these parts bears & cougars come to mine! The buckets that I see many small Bolers us for waste water are also serious fly attractants.

Perhaps a small cassette type grey water tank that would hold a day or two worth of wash water would be a good compromise.
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Old 09-30-2014, 11:31 AM   #109
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...the Nest will not feature on-board waste tanks. Perhaps controversial, but based upon research we conducted before we began designing, we decided to go along with the slight majority that preferred to keep things simple.
Robert - curious to hear more about the "research" that apparently helped you make the decision to not include a grey water tank. Just curious who you polled, and when. An informal count of responses in the past couple days would suggest the overwhelming majority would prefer a permanently mounted grey water tank.

I agree with others that at this price point, not having a grey water tank could be a serious deterrent for potential buyers. Some might re-think the extra $$ for an airstream or similar. As an enthusiastically interested customer, I'd be pretty disappointed to have to deal with an external waste water solution on such an otherwise well-thought out trailer.
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Old 09-30-2014, 01:13 PM   #110
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Now that Robert is fully aware of folks thoughts on the grey tank, I would ask that members refrain from other posts on this topic. I take full responsibility for starting this sidetrack to the thread (and will reprimand myself accordingly ), which is supposed to be focused ONLY on the build process that Nest is taking the trailer through, without cluttering this documentary with this kinda thing.

Thanks so much.
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Old 09-30-2014, 01:17 PM   #111
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My thoughts exactly Jim. I did look at their website this morning and noted again that everything they are using is excellent quality even a cork floor standard. Was that your suggestion?!

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The response to the gray tank are very interesting and may be most important to the future Nest. Yes just a little off thread, but maybe critical to that future.
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