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Old 09-06-2008, 08:40 PM   #57
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Correct me if I am wrong, but don't the big trailers (sticks) measure the trailer not counting the tongue only the body [b]for registered length and the Escape and other small molded units measure the trailer from the tongue to the rear bumper (to seem larger?).
I think that some stick built trailer manufacturers measure only the body length, and not the frame (including the hitch) length, because they also manufacture Mobile Homes, a.k.a. Manufactured Homes, which remove their hitches and running gear once they are set up, seldom to be moved again.

The historically accurate way to measure trailer length included the tongue. My trailer's registration does not specifically list it's length. The California Vehicle Code draws a line between two codes (Cmp & Cch) and the law specifically cites length as a determining factor. This previous discussion: Permanent Trailer Identification (PTI) spoke about who does, and who does not qualify for PTI plates in California. Other government jurisdictions have different rules.

However, the question is moot above 16' (including the hitch) so we get to live with the confusion...
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Old 09-06-2008, 08:43 PM   #58
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Correct me if I am wrong, but don't the big trailers (sticks) measure the trailer not counting the tongue only the body for registered length and the Escape and other small molded units measure the trailer from the tongue to the rear bumper (to seem larger?). I don't have the brochures in front of me right now to compare measurements but if that is the case, the 19' could be considered a 17' for those occasions.
I think they all include the tongue in the listed length. The Rockwood we owned for 3 years was a "23 footer" but the body was only 20'.

That Rockwood had a layout very similar to the "stretch Casita" concept mentioned in this thread. We really liked the walkaround queen bed with closets on either side. But after all, it was a 23 footer! I don't suppose we can expect that in a short trailer. I suppose this doesn't really relate to the new 19' model in particular, but it seems like the next best thing to a walkaround queen would be a set of bunk beds. I'm thinking bunks up front, regular twin mattress size, with the sitting area at the rear and plenty of glass around the back (like the front of an old Argosy, those wraparound windows). I wonder if it's possible to do those windows with a FG trailer? And would one spouse be willing to climb into a top bunk if it meant not having to crawl over (or be crawled over)?

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Old 09-06-2008, 09:04 PM   #59
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Reace, I think it's perfect but I am some annoyed. All this time I was plotting and planning for retirement and our new Escape 5th wheel . . . . and now I have to choose. That's not fair.
Congrats on the design and thanks for listening to the folks on the forum who asked for something a little bigger. You listened and did something about it, and for that we all owe you a debt of gratitude.
I'd say keep up the good work, but I don't want to face any MORE decisions.
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Old 09-07-2008, 04:06 AM   #60
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And would one spouse be willing to climb into a top bunk if it meant not having to crawl over (or be crawled over)?Mike
Maybe Reace and Tammy can come up with a two bedroom model? That would be perfect.

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Old 09-07-2008, 06:52 AM   #61
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Maybe Reace and Tammy can come up with a two bedroom model? That would be perfect.

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I think with the larger bed up front in the 19' could be considered a 2 bedroom, put a curtain in front of both beds and their you go
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Old 09-07-2008, 02:34 PM   #62
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Am I the only one who liked the original concept?
I like the original design if it were flipped with the bed in the back so you'd have those nice windows. Would also like to see the bed be able to convert to a dinette for those times when you are entertaining indoors or just need a bigger work space.

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Old 09-07-2008, 04:05 PM   #63
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I like the original design if it were flipped with the bed in the back so you'd have those nice windows. Would also like to see the bed be able to convert to a dinette for those times when you are entertaining indoors or just need a bigger work space.

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Looks like Reace and Tammy have posted the 19 footer on the Escape web site... and if the diagram has been finalized for layout it looks like the bed is in the back.
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Old 09-07-2008, 07:02 PM   #64
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Sorry.....I shrunk it down a bit so it can be viewed.

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Can you put an exterior hatch in the back so that long toys (Kayaks, Surfboards) get be stored inside the trailer during travel? It is very difficult lifting kayaks onto the roof of tow vehicles or trailers.

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Can you put an exterior hatch in the back so that long toys (Kayaks, Surfboards) get be stored inside the trailer during travel? It is very difficult lifting kayaks onto the roof of tow vehicles or trailers.

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I think the spare tire would be in the way.
Anyway, I tied the canoe to the top of the tent trailer, once. I realized when I got to the campground that I had to take it off to raise the trailer and I would have to put it atop the tow vehicle to take it to the launch site in any case. I figure it makes more sense and less work to use the tow vehicle to transport those toys.

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I don't understand what is wrong with the sideways bed....doesn't it promote a little romance during the trip!

Jay....rather than a storage hatch, how about a hinged, full opening rear window?

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Old 09-08-2008, 10:56 AM   #67
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Hi Mark -

Another thing to consider is the 5th wheel. Escape and Scamp both make those units. You get the overall length of the 19' er in a more compact unit - no tongue. ALL 19 feet are "usable". Dunno what you will pull with.. that may be a factor - but then any unit will have similar weight issues. Plus the "upstairs" bedroom gives everyone a little more privacy if you have more than just couple.

We ended up deciding on the Scamp 5th. Tammy and Reece make a QUALITY unit. But in thte end, **for us** the choice was Scamp.

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My wife Kathy and I are trying to decide on a new trailer. I'm new to this forum and have spoken with Tammy at Escape Trailers about the new 19 ft trailer. Right now, the Escape looks better to us than anything else we've looked at: Casita, Oliver, Bigfoot.



We are seriously considering the 19 ft. But this point you make -- whether we will restrict ourselves from many camp sites because of the length -- is something that concerns me.

We *could* be OK in the smaller bed in the 17 ft, but would be happier with the queen bed in the 19 ft. The difference in the size of the dinette is not a factor. Towing weight and size are also not factors. So it's the queen bed in the 19 ft versus a smaller size and presumably more accessible camp sites in the 17 ft. The 19 ft also has the towing advantages of the tandem axles.

We don't have any experience trying to camp with an RV, we've always tent camped. When I do a web search, the length restrictions seem to be varied. I don't see anything that says "any tent space can also be used by a 17 or smaller trailer".

E. Graham, I'm sure you're right that this is sometimes the case. But do you or others have a feeling for how many camp grounds we'll lose out on, if we get the 19 ft versus the 17 ft? What's your experience?

I also have a question for Reace: Will the 19 ft have less ground clearance, because of the 13" tires? We would like to take our trailer on dirt roads in the desert and there are occasionally wash outs, so more clearance is a positive thing for us.

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I don't understand what is wrong with the sideways bed....doesn't it promote a little romance during the trip!

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Course - if that's the intent - better make sure it comes with the heavy duty stabilizer jacks.

Having your spouse crawl over you to get to the bathroom isn't really all that romantic...

There's absolutely no doubt that the sideways bed is a more efficient use of space. Uses up less space, can be converted to a big dinette etc. For some, that sacrifice is worth the benefit however. I know it's a feature that my wife would really push for. She's always pointed them out enviously in the big-box trailers when we've gone browsing at the shows. She really doesn't like being shoved up against the wall to sleep - and doesn't like me crawling over her (to get to the bathroom) at night either.

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Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm starting to feel comfortable that the 19 ft will not lock us out of too many campsites.

The 5th wheel that would be very nice but my truck is too high -- I've got a new Chevy diesel and the rails are 55" off the ground. With the side rails I've installed (and I don't want to remove them) it's 59".

Obviously we could pull a much larger trailer or 5th wheel, but we like the smaller, narrow trailers for maneuverability, ease of parking, more campsites accessible, less wind resistance, better fuel economy. So I think the 19 ft is a really good compromise. We get all these benefits, and a queen bed too!

We're lucky I guess on the side-to-side bed. Only one of us needs to get up in the middle of the night.

Reace, do you have any thoughts on the 19 ft versus the 17 ft for dirt roads, wash outs, etc? I don't know if the 19 ft will have less ground clearance because of the 13" tires. But I guess the tandem axle would reduce bottoming out. Any thoughts?

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Mike -

We have a new F-150 and the sides are in the same 55" range. Scamp added a lift to the frame so it will work. But I do NOT have the extras on the sides - mine is stock. Agree 59" is a wee bit much.

You know, once you do the research for YOU and YOUR situation, the "right" answer often floats to the top, and it then becomes a no-brainer.

Also, don't know your time frame, but w/ the announcement of the Escape / Trillium alliance, you MAY be able to get pricing in $US instead of $CAN. Removes the currency risk between decision date and payment date. Also, if you can arrange a Carson City pickup, that would help you lots. So, maybe holding off till things shake out is a choice....

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